Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko States: I Can Leave Boxing at Any Time

[JAB5239]

So now we're at the point that Wlad can't be classified as an alltime great & in his prime before he turned 30? Where is this forum headed to. Truth is you amuse me. You're knowledgeable in your postings & sometimes even fair & logical but at the end of the day you are a hater & there's nothing you can say that can change that. You spew the same agenda every other hater does. & as you state you work alone.. do you think that i'm getting an assist from anyone else? It's all me son..

Just out of curiosity, what made Wlad an all time great? Was it being stopped by journeyman Ross Puritty? Or was it the murderers row he faced before getting decimated by a guy who never before or after beat a top 10 rated fighter?

I bring it hardcore.. not going to sugarcoat anything. & all of you's were HATING to the core before i even showed up. so way to give me credit for your hatred... that's just showing me the impact i've made with my words. Sure you'll keep on hating.. i can't change that as that is not my objective as that's your problem... not mine...

Jimmy, you seem like a nice enough guy. Unlike so many of the other nuthuggers who I ran out of here you at least keep your posts about boxing. But false propaganda is still trolling and and it's human nature for people to lash out against the fighters you overhype. Most of us so called "haters" think the Klits are true gentlemen and very good fighters. We're just not ****** enough to buy into your Klitschko grandstanding and ridiculous logic.

I'm here for boxing justice for the Klitschko family name.. MOSTLY Vitali's but the Klitschko's are a package deal & if i'm pessing you all off while bringing Klitschko facts into the equation.. so be it. You may all laugh at Vitali's dominance but at the end of the day... you know there's a slight chance i'm right & that scares you. Trust me when I TELL you that you HAVE no idea how right i am about him & what he's done in a boxing ring for 45 times.

Thats my boy!! Keep the laughs coming, Im loving it bro!!

[jimmy1569]

Thats my boy!! Keep the laughs coming, Im loving it bro!!

I didn't state Wlad was an alltime great at the time. All i was saying was that he was prime & right in mid career. We're talking about that fight now.. so in hindsight Sanders beat an alltime great..... we can't start distinguishing what versions of an alltime great one is.. Lewis beat Tyson... he beat an alltime great.. Lewis beat Vitali.. he beat an alltime great.... kapish.


As for all the other stuff you wrote.. i don't feel i'm overrrating... i feel that all of you are underrating.. therefore you assume i'm overrrating them. I think i'm putting the brothers where they rightfully belong while you're ALL downgrading there status for various biases that you'll never admit.


These are your shortcomings. I do admit.. sometimes I push Vitali over the top but that's when you guys pess me off... the fact that you all feel most of there success is due to there size & the quality of fighters they've fought irks me..... i keep proving to you guys there competition has not been all that different than past greats opposition... i could understand the talk about some of Vitali's opposition but Wlad has faced more than his share of quality names throughout the years so pessing on his comp is fabrication. Holmes.. Tyson didn't face any stronger comp than the brothers.. Louis.. MARCIANO SURELY didn't.. Frazier Ali Foreman. Holyfield & Lewis faced a bunch of names but most of those battles.. both combatants weren't at there best.


They have more names on there ledger that are recognizable but when they weren't facing those name.. they were facing similar opposition to the brolthers comp. You all make it seem that ali.. Foreman Lewis were fighting each other 100% of the time when it was 10% to 15% of there opposition... admit that what i just stated is mostly accurate & you'll be keeping it real like i am.

[The Boxing Gob]

For all you haters still claiming Vitali's quit job vs Byrd was heartless... why don't you explain Lewis' quit job vs the same said fighter. At least Vitali went 9 full rds with him before giving away his bel;t to him on a platter.. Lewis gave away his belt so he didn't have to go in the ring with Byrd.. No wonder he's beaten every man he's ever faced.. the ones he hasn't faced involve throwing his belts in the trash vs Byrd & Ruiz & eventually the last belt he had remaining for not facing Klitschko a second time..


This is the alltime great you place in front of Vitali.. one who's gotten ktfo twice by fighters that were worthy of being mentioned in the same brethren as one of Klitschko's poor competition. & before you say Mccall & RAHMAN were champions..... JUST REMEMBER who gave them that opportunity to be called champs in the first place.. I ask how one can place a fighter as superior to another when he's exhibited less superior qualities.. So what we're saying is that it's better to go out on your shield & get KTFO twice with 2 shots causing the damage then to go out on your shield due to cuts & injuries incurred in a bout..


Where's the logic here.. Vitali has a better record than him.. better numbers.. was better head to head against Lewis.. OVERALL has dominated his foes more thoroughly than Lewis has & also has taken on the same opposition 82% winning just like Lewis did before him.. has won some form of the 4 major belts acknowledged today 3 separate times.. same as Lewis.. has a similar championship bout record (13-2).... where the hell is he in any way shape or form inferior to Lewis? I wanna Know.


He has a few more spectacular KO'S? iS tHAT IT? WeLL kLITSCHKO MAKES up for that by scoring more stoppages regardless of the highlight reel.. Koing hapless Golota.. Grant.. Ruddock. b OTHA.. mORRISON.. Rahman.. Those guys are so much more superior than the names on Klitschko's KO LIST? cOME on let's keep it real here... his best stoppage win is when he actually lost vs Vitali. Life & DEATH WITH eVANDER & Mercer for 36 rds.. koing someone who impersonated the baddest man on the planet.. never having faced Rid**** Bowe Or Wladimir Klitschko & essentially winning his first title out of a garbage bin.


Your honor i rest my case once again as the baddest writer with the most lethal case of truth serum on these boxing forums!

excellent post and lets take a close look at the championship record of Lennox Lewis:
Butler - more defeats than victories
Jackson - who?
Morrison - HIV Steroid Freak
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after two brutal beatings by Tyson
Briggs - Steroid Freak
Botha - Steroid Freak
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovic - Who?
Bruno - gave Lewis a boxing lesson in how to jab
Fortune - Who?
Grant - Bum ex basketball player
Golota - Steroid Freak who was sedated in dressing room before fight
Akinwande - Class C Brit
Tucker - Washed up Junkie
Mercer - Robbed of victory
Holyfield - years past best yet robbed in rematch
Rahman - journeyman who poleaxed Lewis
Tyson - shell of former ATG yet Lewis needed police

Lewis himself was a steroid user going from 224lb to 256lbs and gaining nearly 2ins in height.
Lewis avoided every Top Heavyweight during the 1990s who was at the top of their game and who held a version of the Heavyweight Title, Moorer, Holmes, Foreman, Byrd, Witherspoon, Hide, Byrd, Tyson (96), Bowe (92 & 95) Holyfield (93-96) Sanders, Wlad Klitschko, Ruiz.

[JAB5239]

I didn't state Wlad was an alltime great at the time. All i was saying was that he was prime & right in mid career. We're talking about that fight now.. so in hindsight Sanders beat an alltime great..... we can't start distinguishing what versions of an alltime great one is.. Lewis beat Tyson... he beat an alltime great.. Lewis beat Vitali.. he beat an alltime great.... kapish.

Ok, so I'll ask you again.....what makes Wlad an all time great? Is it the losses to Puritty, Sanders or Brewster? Who did he beat to make him an all time great? He has career defining losses, but what career defining wins does he have?

As for all the other stuff you wrote.. i don't feel i'm overrrating... i feel that all of you are underrating.. therefore you assume i'm overrrating them. I think i'm putting the brothers where they rightfully belong while you're ALL downgrading there status for various biases that you'll never admit.

If we made a list of the 100 most unbiased posters on this forum than had a poll for them to vote in as to where Vitaly ranks and explaining why, I can guarantee none would have Vitaly in the top 10 all time.

I do admit.. sometimes I push Vitali over the top but that's when you guys pess me off... the fact that you all feel most of there success is due to there size & the quality of fighters they've fought irks me.

I've stated numerous times that it isn't their fault they're bigger and their comp is not the greatest. But it is relevant. I've also stated they're top contenders in ANY era if not outright champions but you always want to overlook and ignore this. Seems to me you get irked when others don't share the same view of their greatness as you have.

i keep proving to you guys there competition has not been all that different than past greats opposition... i could understand the talk about some of Vitali's opposition but Wlad has faced more than his share of quality names throughout the years so pessing on his comp is fabrication. Holmes.. Tyson didn't face any stronger comp than the brothers.. Louis.. MARCIANO SURELY didn't.. Frazier Ali Foreman. Holyfield & Lewis faced a bunch of names but most of those battles.. both combatants weren't at there best.


They have more names on there ledger that are recognizable but when they weren't facing those name.. they were facing similar opposition to the brolthers comp. You all make it seem that ali.. Foreman Lewis were fighting each other 100% of the time when it was 10% to 15% of there opposition... admit that what i just stated is mostly accurate & you'll be keeping it real like i am.

Until they retire and we see how their comp will be remembered, you're overrating their competition and haven't proved a thing with those numbers you love to provide, but that have been refuted just as easily. But I will admit the guys I rate over the Klits weren't always fighting top comp or each other either. But its the point that their competition was better.

Now I know this will probably "irk" you, but Vitaly probably isn't moving up the alltime ranking any further. Wlad on the other hand can still move up and get a spot very close to if not inside the top 10.

That is keeping it real my man.

[JAB5239]

excellent post and lets take a close look at the championship record of Lennox Lewis:
Butler - more defeats than victories
Jackson - who?
Morrison - HIV Steroid Freak
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after two brutal beatings by Tyson
Briggs - Steroid Freak
Botha - Steroid Freak
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovic - Who?
Bruno - gave Lewis a boxing lesson in how to jab
Fortune - Who?
Grant - Bum ex basketball player
Golota - Steroid Freak who was sedated in dressing room before fight
Akinwande - Class C Brit
Tucker - Washed up Junkie
Mercer - Robbed of victory
Holyfield - years past best yet robbed in rematch
Rahman - journeyman who poleaxed Lewis
Tyson - shell of former ATG yet Lewis needed police

Lewis himself was a steroid user going from 224lb to 256lbs and gaining nearly 2ins in height.
Lewis avoided every Top Heavyweight during the 1990s who was at the top of their game and who held a version of the Heavyweight Title, Moorer, Holmes, Foreman, Byrd, Witherspoon, Hide, Byrd, Tyson (96), Bowe (92 & 95) Holyfield (93-96) Sanders, Wlad Klitschko, Ruiz.

Jimmy, if you want lessons in bullshit propaganda than this is how its done!! Lewis grew 2 inches in height, huh sonny?

[Alirulez]

Now I know this will probably "irk" you, but Vitaly probably isn't moving up the alltime ranking any further. Wlad on the other hand can still move up and get a spot very close to if not inside the top 10.
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According to who?

[JAB5239]

According to who?

According to who, what?

[Vadrigar.]

excellent post and lets take a close look at the championship record of Lennox Lewis:
Butler - more defeats than victories
Jackson - who?
Morrison - HIV Steroid Freak
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after two brutal beatings by Tyson
Briggs - Steroid Freak
Botha - Steroid Freak
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovic - Who?
Bruno - gave Lewis a boxing lesson in how to jab
Fortune - Who?
Grant - Bum ex basketball player
Golota - Steroid Freak who was sedated in dressing room before fight
Akinwande - Class C Brit
Tucker - Washed up Junkie
Mercer - Robbed of victory
Holyfield - years past best yet robbed in rematch
Rahman - journeyman who poleaxed Lewis
Tyson - shell of former ATG yet Lewis needed police

Lewis himself was a steroid user going from 224lb to 256lbs and gaining nearly 2ins in height.
Lewis avoided every Top Heavyweight during the 1990s who was at the top of their game and who held a version of the Heavyweight Title, Moorer, Holmes, Foreman, Byrd, Witherspoon, Hide, Byrd, Tyson (96), Bowe (92 & 95) Holyfield (93-96) Sanders, Wlad Klitschko, Ruiz.

long time no see, sonny.

You're seriously underestimating Lewis though. This resume decimation can be done to many ATG heavyweights.

[Alirulez]

According to who, what?

Who is making the positional determinations you speak of?

[Alirulez]

long time no see, sonny.

You're seriously underestimating Lewis though. This resume decimation can be done to many ATG heavyweights.

What's good for the goose.....