Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko States: I Can Leave Boxing at Any Time

[JAB5239]

Who is making the positional determinations you speak of?

Myself and other credible boxing historians of course.

Do you disagree with something in particular?

[JAB5239]

long time no see, sonny.

You're seriously underestimating Lewis though. This resume decimation can be done to many ATG heavyweights.

We've already traumatized sonny in the history section with his ridiculous claims and have chided him with facts to the point he went bat shit and refused to talk boxing anymore, instead preferring to troll and insult until I banned him. He did the same thing at ESB until getting banned from there too. Tsk, tsk.

[Alirulez]

Myself and other credible boxing historians of course.

Who? Bert Sugar? Hardly an objective source. A European boxing historian is likely to have wide variances in opinion with an American one. In the end, these ATG rankings are all just opinion, not fact. It's good to keep that in mind when making bold pronouncements.

[Alirulez]

We've already traumatized sonny in the history section with his ridiculous claims and have chided him with facts to the point he went bat shit and refused to talk boxing anymore, instead preferring to troll and insult until I banned him. He did the same thing at ESB until getting banned from there too. Tsk, tsk.

What's your nick on ESB?

[StarshipTrooper]

A European boxing historian is likely to have wide variances in opinion with an American one

I believe he was talking about CREDIBLE historians: That eliminates European ones.

Poet

[JAB5239]

What's your nick on ESB?

Same thing as here. I have had the same user name since I started posting on the old AOL boxing forum in 1999 and use it for every site I do or have posted on.

[JAB5239]

Who? Bert Sugar? Hardly an objective source. A European boxing historian is likely to have wide variances in opinion with an American one. In the end, these ATG rankings are all just opinion, not fact. It's good to keep that in mind when making bold pronouncements.

Bert Sugar? Come in man, give me a little credit. Sugar is entertaining and Im sure he has extensive knowledge, but his list seem to be made based on his personal favorites rather than who was actually the best.

I disagree with your opinion of "wide variances" between American and European historians. Most respected historians are objective in spite of where they're from. There are some variances, but that's to be expected. I've never seen anything extreme in one direction or the other. If I did I would probably just ignore it.

[jimmy1569]

Until they retire and we see how their comp will be remembered, you're overrating their competition and haven't proved a thing with those numbers you love to provide, but that have been refuted just as easily. But I will admit the guys I rate over the Klits weren't always fighting top comp or each other either. But its the point that their competition was better.

Now I know this will probably "irk" you, but Vitaly probably isn't moving up the alltime ranking any further. Wlad on the other hand can still move up and get a spot very close to if not inside the top 10.

That is keeping it real my man.

You'e hopeless... you think by agreeing to tidbits of my posts you're compromising.. yet are dissing them the rest of the way. What qualifies both of them as top 10 alltime greats is a simple formula. You can NOT name 8 heavyweight champions who have been more dominant than them. Your criteria is all full of shet & full of holes but go right ahead thinking in this fashion. Both brothers have top 10 title RECORDS.. defenses.. what have you. YoU GUYS EVEN ADMIT THAT both bros are top 10 head to head esp Vitali. This is you morons even admitting how good they are but yet you still tear them down just the same just to serve your agendas.

Truth is if i went by what all moronic posters on these forums think of the brothers & most biased media... i'd list 70's journeymen better than them seeing how they faced Ali OR fOREMAN or FRAZIER in trilogies. The brothers WOULD wipe THE phocking floor with ANY & ALL of past greats competition. You already have convicted both of NOT being able to deal with past greats comp.. let alone deal with the FORMER greats themselves.. YoU see what you ALL are doing? YOu don't even see it/.Both bros have no SHOT to be other greats peerss\ because they'd struggle with past greats comp.. let alone be whitewashed by the greats themselves.

THIS IS WHAT ALL OF YOU UNEDUCATED MORONS ARE SAYING so you can intentionally lower the brothers's worth. The brother's hang with EVERY past great strictly on there size & strength alone.. WE'RE not even talking about boxing skills... right off the bat....they've got advanatges over them yet all the entire PHONY forum will have everyone believe this is NOT an ADVANTAGE when it's been proven for 104 fights that it most certainly is.

You guys REALLY thINK Vitali could've hung in there with Lewis giving as much as he was taking if he WAS NOT on Lewis' level & an equal peer or better.. Forget wtf happened to his face for a second you childish delinquents. Vitali hung with Lewis for a reason who is considered a top 5 HEAVY by MANY BOXING HISTORIANS. iT'S BECause HE'S on his level... yopu phocking morons... there's no other way & thae fact that you wanna equate that with a Bruno or a Mercer..... Those guys were journeymen.

Vitali Is an alltime great... there's a big difference here. This guy has posted the ABSOLUTE BEST numbers that ever held a title & YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE & THAT IT IS JUST A COINCIDENCE OF THE ERA HE'S FIGHTING IN when he actually amassed some of these numbers in Lewis'Holyfield.. Tyson & Bowe's era as well. You guys are holpeless & i pity the fool because I so KNOW 100% how wrong all of yous are & will one day eat crow like no other & guess who'll be feeding it to you.

[StarshipTrooper]

SLURP! SLURP! SLURP! SLURP! SLURP!

Gee.....Son, could you translate that into English? Get to stepping......Kapish?

Poet

[jimmy1569]

Jimmy, if you want lessons in bullshit propaganda than this is how its done!! Lewis grew 2 inches in height, huh sonny?

You very well know..... i give numbers that are actually there. I don't make up stuff that's not there.. plus he was giving it to you hardcore because you won't listen any other way. I wouldn't penalize him for a few exaggerations here & there.. esp the part about Tua being fat... forgetting there's not 5 boxers in history that hit you harder with one shot.