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Would you favour any Heavyweight in the history of boxing to beat Prime Ali?
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Yes there are many who would be favoured to beat Ali depending on who you ask. Liston was expected to beat Ali, as was Foreman. So if them 2 were favoured so it would be normal to assume other great heavyweights on good runs would be expected to beat him. Whether they would is another topic altogether though.
Tyson when he was ripping through the heavy division would have been favourite against Ali and depening on who you ask. Thats just how it is.Last edited by hugh grant; 01-14-2012, 11:03 AM.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View PostYes there are many who would be favoured to beat Ali depending on who you ask. Liston was expected to beat Ali, as was Foreman. So if them 2 were favoured so it would be normal to assume other great heavyweights on good runs would be expected to beat him. Whether they would is another topic altogether though.
Tyson when he was ripping through the heavy division would have been favourite against Ali and depening on who you ask. Thats just how it is.
BTW, Tyson gets embarrassed against Ali. He would have lost the fight before they even stepped in the ring.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostBefore the Liston fight, Ali was a young guy getting his first title shot. Before Foreman, Ali was past prime and had lost two fights in his comeback. Neither of those guys would obviously be favored now to beat prime Ali, and I don't think anyone should be.
BTW, Tyson gets embarrassed against Ali. He would have lost the fight before they even stepped in the ring.
Some people think Tyson at his best and on his day and peak would have beat Ali.Last edited by hugh grant; 01-14-2012, 02:07 PM.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostBefore the Liston fight, Ali was a young guy getting his first title shot. Before Foreman, Ali was past prime and had lost two fights in his comeback. Neither of those guys would obviously be favored now to beat prime Ali, and I don't think anyone should be.
BTW, Tyson gets embarrassed against Ali. He would have lost the fight before they even stepped in the ring.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View PostIt depends on who you ask. SOme people dont rate Ali as highly as others which you must take into account.
Some people think Tyson at his best and on his day and peak would have beat Ali.
I rate Ali high, but to me he was beaten at his best and was not the myth that everyone makes him out to be. The power of suggestion had a lot to do with his all time ranking in my opinion. He said he was the greatest so many times that eventually it became an accepted thing.
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Nobody could touch Ali in his prime IMO. Between his height advantage, constant movement, and big right hand any competitor would find himself quickly overtaken by a heavyweight with middleweight quickness and a laser hook.
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Originally posted by Mr. Invincible View PostI think it would have been a hell of a matchup, similar to the Frazier epics.
I rate Ali high, but to me he was beaten at his best and was not the myth that everyone makes him out to be. The power of suggestion had a lot to do with his all time ranking in my opinion. He said he was the greatest so many times that eventually it became an accepted thing.
Ali beat Frazier, Foreman, and Liston. That's a fact. Not "power of suggeststion." Power of suggeststion is when you fantasize that Vitali beats Ali and every great heavyweight easily. Fantasy not fact.
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