Is Mayweather the most well-rounded fighter ever?

[Biolink]

Thread doesn't end there. Lack of aggression and a ''low work rate'' is not a flaw. The inability to be aggressive and fight at a high pace is a flaw but Floyd has not displayed that inability.

I agree. Low work rate and aggressiveness would be me saying "Damn would you throw a punch". I've never wondered why he wasn't throwing enough or asserting himself offensively.

[New England]

I'm curious to know what your list of more well-rounded guys looks like.

ray robinson
tommy hearns
ray leonard
ricardo lopez
marvin hagler
jose napoles
salvador sanchez
roberto duran
ezzard charles
larry holmes


want me to keep going?

floyd mayweather is a pure boxer, especially as a WW
it's really not that hard to find guys with more rounded skills if you know what you're looking for.

[Mr. Invincible]

Roy Jones had the best physical tools i've ever seen, but that doesn't make him the best well-rounded fighter. HE relied heavily on his physical tools instead of strategy and ring generalship. This is why he get ktfo later in his career, the physical tools he once had are no longer there.

Sure he was well rounded. His defense and offense were superb when he was prime. Power was uncanny. Much better in every aspect than Floyd is and at the same time he was electrifying.

[turbotime]

ray robinson
tommy hearns
ray leonard
ricardo lopez
marvin hagler
jose napoles
salvador sanchez
roberto duran
ezzard charles
larry holmes


want me to keep going?

floyd mayweather is a pure boxer, especially as a WW
it's really not that hard to find guys with more rounded skills if you know what you're looking for.

Tommy Hearns more well-rounded? Ray Robinson? Hmmmm there was a reason the white brawlers liked fighting him all the time, becuse he was pretty easy to hit. Even LaMotta said as much.

[Brother Jay]

Roy Jones had the best physical tools i've ever seen, but that doesn't make him the best well-rounded fighter. HE relied heavily on his physical tools instead of strategy and ring generalship. This is why he get ktfo later in his career, the physical tools he once had are no longer there.

Partially right.

RJJ did heavily rely on his physical attributes.

However, I do not believe that he simply faded overnight as you suggest. Roy was never the same after he let his ego lead him to destroy the million dollar physique he acquired for his bid at the HW title.

Keep in mind, you have NEVER seen Roy Jones fat a day in your life. He gained 26lbs of muscle for his match against Ruiz. Then, in 6 weeks he lost 26lbs of muscle for his match with Tarver, which he won.

Then, as if he didn't already prove enough, Jones did something that he rarely ever did: He gave a defeated opponent a rematch to further prove something that didn't need proving.

IMO, Jones' ego is what led him to make poor choices and lose his unbelievable fighting form. At the point that Jones faced Tarver, Tarver was no one special and held no real value towards Jones' legacy.

Hubris and arrogance at its finest.

[p4p-champ]

Sure he was well rounded. His defense and offense were superb when he was prime. Power was uncanny. Much better in every aspect than Floyd is and at the same time he was electrifying.

Roy was a boxer that relied on his pure athleticism, nothing wrong with it, just that it doesn't make him the best well-rounded boxer. Mayweather Jr. is a more well rounded boxer, he may not have the same athleticism and physical tools as Roy (nobody does) but he isn't horrible in that category. Add to that, he is a technical master, with incredible ring IQ. After Roy started losing his athleticism, it was game over for him. Mayweather starting to slow down already but because he such a technical master and ring general, he is still at the top of the game.

[New England]

Tommy Hearns more well-rounded? Ray Robinson? Hmmmm there was a reason the white brawlers liked fighting him all the time, becuse he was pretty easy to hit. Even LaMotta said as much.

are you fuccking kidding me?
the hell does skin color have to do with anything?


yes tommy hearns is more well rounded that floyd mayweather

he was a terrific boxer when he had to be. his physical tools were nearly insurmountable in a pure boxing match at WW, and that's why ray leonard (one of the best boxers ever, and much more rounded than floyd, in addition to being a bigger man and much more durable man,) was forced to take the fight to hearns and took a licking in the process



and yes, WW ray robinson is widely considered to be the least flawed fighter of all time. for you to even question his well roundedness shows how very little you know about the subject

he had a great chin. one of the best ever.
great engine and pacing
huge power in either hand
size
skills and boxing abilities
speed

he was a bit more available to get tagged than floyd, but when you're that offensive and you're knocking guys out (and you have one of the best chin's ever on a boxer,) you're going to get hit at some point.
the guy was

you aren't likely to have even seen the fights, anyway, but i'll concede that floyd is a better defensive fighter than robinson. no fighter has ever been perfect. robinson's openness allowed him to be more effective than mayweather, wearing down and stopping his opponents

however, all of the things that robinson does much better than floyd (punch, finish, take punches, use his physical strength, fight inside, throw combinations, and then there's the size at WW, etc,) make for a much more roudned fighter


sorry if you think floyd mayweather is the best fighter ever, kid, or the most well roudned he is neither of those things
he's a pure boxer
and there are many that are much more accomplished
you dont know what the hell you are talking about


and finally, jake lamotta is a much better fighter than anybody floyd has ever fought.
"white brawler," lol racism? that's an aspect of your rhetoric?

if i couldnt laugh at you you'd make me sick

[Mr. Invincible]

Roy was a boxer that relied on his pure athleticism, nothing wrong with it, just that it doesn't make him the best well-rounded boxer. Mayweather Jr. is a more well rounded boxer, he may not have the same athleticism and physical tools as Roy (nobody does) but he isn't horrible in that category. Add to that, he is a technical master, with incredible ring IQ. After Roy started losing his athleticism, it was game over for him. Mayweather starting to slow down already but because he such a technical master and ring general, he is still at the top of the game.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't think Floyd has slowed down at all. He has just employed a different fighting plan in order to be more crowd pleasing. He hasn't lost any foot/hand speed or coordination at all. In fact, one could argue that he is at his best right now.

Roy at his best was better than Floyd at everything and didn't basically lose to a B+ fighter like Castillo in his prime.

[turbotime]

are you fuccking kidding me?
the hell does skin color have to do with anything?


yes tommy hearns is more well rounded that floyd mayweather

he was a terrific boxer when he had to be. his physical tools were nearly insurmountable in a pure boxing match at WW, and that's why ray leonard (one of the best boxers ever, and much more rounded than floyd, in addition to being a bigger man and much more durable man,) was forced to take the fight to hearns and took a licking in the process



and yes, WW ray robinson is widely considered to be the least flawed fighter of all time. for you to even question his well roundedness shows how very little you know about the subject

he had a great chin. one of the best ever.
great engine and pacing
huge power in either hand
size
skills and boxing abilities
speed

he was a bit more available to get tagged than floyd, but when you're that offensive and you're knocking guys out (and you have one of the best chin's ever on a boxer,) you're going to get hit at some point.
the guy was

you aren't likely to have even seen the fights, anyway, but i'll concede that floyd is a better defensive fighter than robinson. no fighter has ever been perfect. robinson's openness allowed him to be more effective than mayweather, wearing down and stopping his opponents

however, all of the things that robinson does much better than floyd (punch, finish, take punches, use his physical strength, fight inside, throw combinations, and then there's the size at WW, etc,) make for a much more roudned fighter


sorry if you think floyd mayweather is the best fighter ever, kid, or the most well roudned he is neither of those things
he's a pure boxer
and there are many that are much more accomplished
you dont know what the hell you are talking about


and finally, jake lamotta is a much better fighter than anybody floyd has ever fought.
"white brawler," lol racism? that's an aspect of your rhetoric?

if i couldnt laugh at you you'd make me sick

I didn't mean to strike such a nerve, but yes, white brawlers. Robinson got hit a great deal more than Floyd ever did, but he also scored many more KO's. Pick your poison.

If it wasn't for Hearns' crazy size advantage over most of the welterweights he wouldn't have been as succesful as he was. Even as he moved up and started fighting guys his own size, he started getting hurt a lot more and KTFO a lot more.

[Poet682006]

If it were Floyd that I loved instead of boxing and knew nothing else, I wouldn't have been able to make the comparisons and analysis that I just did above.

You see ... you've got to know some **** about some **** to be able to discuss that **** competently.

A one-liner just means you want attention. And most of you peasants don't care how you get it or if its good or bad attention just as long as you get noticed.

Enjoy this response. You've been noticed and your existence has been validated.

Your job here is done.

That wasn't analysis it was a verbal rim-job of Floyd. You take flaws and try to redefine them as virtues: That's called spin. It's what politicians do when they're blowing smoke up the ass of people who don't know better. Obviously nuthuggers like yourself have a lot in common with obfuscating politicians :jerk0ff9: