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Thread doesn't end there. Lack of aggression and a ''low work rate'' is not a flaw. The inability to be aggressive and fight at a high pace is a flaw but Floyd has not displayed that inability.Comment
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floyd mayweather is not the most well rounded fighter ever
he's not even close
in fact, he's a pure boxer according to anybody with an opinion that matters
i dont know how i havnt shut the thread down yet
it is not hard in the least
you guys act like proving that floyd mayweather isnt the best or most well rounded fighter of all time is difficult
he's a pure boxer and there's nothing wrong with that.
95% of nsb has no idea what the hell they are talking about, yourself included.
how on earth are any of you an authority on comparing current fighters to fighters of the past when you dont have any business talking about either group?Comment
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Point to where I said he is the most well rounded fighter ever? Disagreeing with incorrect statement does not mean I agree with the topic title.floyd mayweather is not the most well rounded fighter ever
he's not even closeComment
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This thread has taken a very foolish turn.
Some of you don't realize that some have gone from discussing Mayweather as possibly one if not thee greatest well rounded fighter to arguing that Mayweather isn't the best at every single category.
Let me just start off by saying that Mayweather is NOT the best at every single category. No fighter is.
However, Floyd Mayweather Jr possesses one of thee most impressive and rare skillsets ever seen in boxing history.
He is not the fastest ever. Roy Jones and Meldrick Taylor were definitely faster.
However, timing trumps speed. And Mayweather's timing is second to none.
Mayweather does not throw 10 punch combos. Too many boxers to name threw more flashy and dazzling punch combinations.
However, no boxer since the inception of CompuBox has been a more accurate puncher than Floyd Mayweather. That is a fact, and clean punches trump volume punches that miss.
Mayweather is not the hardest hitter. Mosley, Tszyu, Toney, McCallum, Foreman and Tyson were the examples of true dynamite power.
However, for what he lacks in dynamite, Mayweather more than makes up in attrition. Mayweather breaks down men with scary accuracy until they are so far behind that they are forced to take unwise risks. That is where Mayweather's counterpunching shines and his opponents begin to realize that their offense has been figured out. Roy Jones wasn't a dynamite puncher, but he too was a master of attrition.
I don't know why some underrate Mayweather's heart. Mayweather has come up from SFW. In each division Floyd went up to, experts, writers and pundits alike all claimed that Mayweather was biting off more than he could chew. *******s won't remember that as that was before their time as boxing fans.
Floyd went into each division except for 140lbs, and defeated the #1 and #2 champions. He's been doing that consistently for 15 years WITHOUT losing even once!
What demonstrates the "heart" aspect of those feats is that unlike his fellow P4P lister, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd didn't ask for the bigger men to cut weight. He let them come in at the division limit and he just did what he had to do.
THAT is heart. Heart being the quality that allows a champion to take on challenges that put him at a disadvantage. Yet he asks for no extra measure or provision. He simply takes to the task as is.
Asking for catchweights is an admission of inadequacy. Demanding that an opponent cut weight is the equivalent of saying "I can't win without help".
Floyd's chin?
How much more does it have to be tested? Floyd took blows that put the so called ironed-chinned Mayorga and Margarito out. Its just that he doesn't typically put his chin out for target practice and because of that, Floyd gets criticized for not starting his journey to slurred speech like Hearns, Toney and Holyfield, and a detached retina like Sugar Ray Leonard.
Go figure.
Floyd's career?
There aren't many who have done it better against better. Ray Leonard didn't go up as many divisions as Floyd did and he lost against guys that shouldn't have beaten him. Hearns had dynamite but he faded mostly against elite. Hagler was really only good at MW. Duran came up through divisions but he also mostly lost to elites.
Floyd is probably in just as good if not better shape than thee best boxers that ever laced up gloves. Even among his peers, Floyd is known for his elite work ethic and conditioning. So much so, that I believe that just on sheer conditioning that Floyd would have outboxed Leonard, Hagler, Hearns and Duran.
I've literally never seen Floyd winded or tired. His has mastered the art of accuracy and the conservation of movement and energy to the point where its hard to call what he does "competing". Its more like he slowly and methodically imposes his will in each and every one of his fights.
That's more of an observation an opinion. Just go watch his fights. Even from the beginning. The guy does what he does against champions and does not get thrown off track. He does not lose. He has an answer for everything he's ever faced.
In fact, the only way that ANYONE can see him losing to anyone below 154lbs is by theorizing how well he would do against legends from other eras. That alone speaks volumes about how special this kids ability and skills are.
Now, I have to say this. Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the gifts that a prime Roy Jones had. IMO, it isn't even close. However, Floyd makes up for that with an insane work ethic, and a much more scientific and sound approach to boxing than Jones EVER had.
Jones got by on sheer athleticism and attributes. Sure, the guy had to have skills to be as dominant as he was. He could box, albeit in an unorthodox manner. Still, he did outrageous things and made them work for him based solely on the fact that his speed and reflexes were almost inhuman. His opponents simply could not keep up with him.
Floyd's opponents IMO have a much better chance and are let into the fight to a much larger degree. This is what's great about the kid: It hasn't mattered whether his opponents had a chance to get their **** off. They can launch whatever attack that they want to because Mayweather has somehow found a way to make each and every one of his opponents dance partners instead of boxing opponents WITHOUT having to overwhelm them with blinding speed or superfluous combinations.
Its like Floyd takes real threats in stride instead of having to jump the gun with speed to prevent them from happening. Others have tried to do the same and nearly all have gotten caught at some point. Not many men have been able to stand and deliver the way he rolls and slips.
And we're not talking Sweet Pea duck-down-to-the-floor bobbing and weaving. We are talking in-the-pocket, standing up, and landing some of the most impressively timed counter punches ever seen.
This kid can do it all.
There's nothing that Ray Leonard could do aside from shoe shining that Floyd couldn't or rather doesn't do, but the reverse cannot be said. And as I wrote earlier, of the legendary four Leonard had the most talent and ability.
And while some might disagree, you can't disagree with Floyd's success against the #1 and 2's for the last 15 years. That's the real story.
I know this is long, but I love the game.Comment
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If it were Floyd that I loved instead of boxing and knew nothing else, I wouldn't have been able to make the comparisons and analysis that I just did above.
You see ... you've got to know some **** about some **** to be able to discuss that **** competently.
A one-liner just means you want attention. And most of you peasants don't care how you get it or if its good or bad attention just as long as you get noticed.
Enjoy this response. You've been noticed and your existence has been validated.
Your job here is done.Comment
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NO!
Prime Rjj was.Comment
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Roy Jones had the best physical tools i've ever seen, but that doesn't make him the best well-rounded fighter. HE relied heavily on his physical tools instead of strategy and ring generalship. This is why he get ktfo later in his career, the physical tools he once had are no longer there.Comment
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