Is Mayweather the most well-rounded fighter ever?

[The Tase]

Read the question again Tase. Im not talking about him retiring. Heck is not clear who roadblocked all those TR fights? Cotto-Mayweather is talked about for years , Cotto leaves Bob and the fight is made almost instantly.

you are opening up a whole new can of worms. the point you are making is a never ending black hole of whose fault was it that this fight didnt get made.

Lets just stick to your question to poet. I answered them. Paul williams wasnt top rank. why didnt floyd fight him? stay on point burner.

Props to new england for utterly shutting this thread down:

anybody with minimal knowledge can name 10 WW's who would take marquez head off at the shoulders, especially the 35+ year old version.
sorry, but you're looking at a weak WW era and you dont even know it.


pacquiao is 100% an atg p4p puncher

but to say that he or floyd have ATG power or finishing ability at 147 is laughable

or, more appropriately, to say that floyd's inability to stop marquez in a WW fight is something that can be swept under the table because "nobody has stopped marquez," is laughable

plenty of WW's would have stopped marquez in that situation
floyd couldnt, because he's not a finisher or a big puncher.


floyd's flaws:
he's a modest puncher
he's not very agressive
he's got a low work rate in terms of the punches he throws (he makes up for it with the moves he uses defensively, but he's not a high volume puncher and that is a weakness,)
his chin is no better than good
and physically his strength is only about average.


that's not a well rounded fighter by any stretch in the historical sense
if you want to say he's one of the most well rounded fighters out there today you can go ahead, but to say that he's among the most well rounded of all time is something to laugh at.

[rambov]

Does anyone really care that PW and Floyd didn't fight? He has no defense. All floyd has to do is fight him on the inside. That's an easy fight. easy I say.

You guys are making poor arguments and talking crazy. If Floyd has all of those flaws then why hasn't anyone exploited them. Manny's flaws have been exploited (5 muther****ing times).

JMM has EXCELLENT boxing skills and there aren't 10 guys out there at ww who would take his head off GTFO!!!!

Until you find someone to beat him then he is the best and until you find someone who can provide O and D and movement in the ring and make great boxers look ok then he's the best at that too!

[Poet682006]

Does anyone really care that PW and Floyd didn't fight? He has no defense. All floyd has to do is fight him on the inside. That's an easy fight. easy I say.

You guys are making poor arguments and talking crazy. If Floyd has all of those flaws then why hasn't anyone exploited them. Manny's flaws have been exploited (5 muther****ing times).

JMM has EXCELLENT boxing skills and there aren't 10 guys out there at ww who would take his head off GTFO!!!!

Until you find someone to beat him then he is the best and until you find someone who can provide O and D and movement in the ring and make great boxers look ok then he's the best at that too!

Oh, in that case Rocky Marciano is the GOAT: 49-0, 43 KOs baby. Floyd who?

[rambov]

Well Rocky may be one of the greatest. But we're talking about well rounded (rounded). You must read the last paragraph again.

We're not talking about the GOAT. We're talking about the most well rounded of all time.

dude.....

[rambov]

Ok so tell me who in the opinions of the nay-sayers is the most well rounded fighter of all time??
That is what you were supposed to do when you were asked the question initially.

[Poet682006]

Well Rocky may be one of the greatest. But we're talking about well rounded (rounded). You must read the last paragraph again.

We're not talking about the GOAT. We're talking about the most well rounded of all time.

dude.....

Simply using your logic.....Junior: "If Floyd has all of those flaws then why hasn't anyone exploited them" and "Until you find someone to beat him then he is the best"

Poet

[The Tase]

Oh, in that case Rocky Marciano is the GOAT: 49-0, 43 KOs baby. Floyd who?

julio cesar chavez jr. 45-0 & joe calzaghe & joe calzaghe > Floyd 42-0.

/ thread.

[Poet682006]

julio cesar chavez jr. 45-0 & joe calzaghe & joe calzaghe > Floyd 42-0.

/ thread.

No doubt! (and for the record I DON'T think Marciano is the GOAT, I'm simply taking this nudnicks logic to it's logical conclusion).

Poet

[The_Sandman]

When floyd was done beating career 140 pounder hatton, he abruptly retired during a time when the welterweight division was the hottest and deepest in all of boxing.

HE COULD HAVE FOUGHT:

Prime Antonio Margarito
Prime Miguel Cotto
Prime Paul Williams
Prime Joshua Clottey
Prime Luis Collazo (yes the same collazo who actually beat ricky hatton before floyd beat him)

& when it was time for floyd to fight his best opponent to date, he accused that fighter of being a raging steroid user (not to mention his whole country, a country who doesnt even have single olympic gold medal in its entire history) and asked for a test never done before in the history of professional prize fighting even though he bashed him as overrated, one dimensional, too small, and my favorite easy work. Not to mention he doesnt have a single shred of evidence against him. Now after that same fighter finally agrees to floyds disrepectful demands in order to make the richest fight in boxing history happen, what does floyd do?

He doesnt want to give this guy a even 50-50 split even though this guy ranks higher than him p4p and is more decorated fighter than him.

Who is this guy?

Prime Manny Pacquiao.




Bye burner.

Tyson made Evander Holyfield take the same test. But I'm guessing you're a Tyson fan.

[RichCCFC]

up there, Roy is above him though for last 20 years even.

You may say Floyd has better defense (obviously) but Roy hit like a come forward big puncher would while moving around the ring like a gazelle with much faster hand speed and better combos than Floyd.