Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Pacquiao is a Fake Pound for Pound King

[bojangles1987]

Not lately, because he hasn't been fighting them

Since he left Murad and went to TR, they have smartly protected and enhanced their investment by limiting manny's exsposure to boxers with movement. I think that is a fair point to make.

Morales and JMM are great fighters. But lets be real. JMM was a 9-1 underdog who was matched against manny a 3rd time in the hopes manny would finally produce a stellar performance against a boxer with movement.

He failed to meet te "floyd standard" of looking great against all opposition.

Yes, it is a fair point to make, but I'm just saying that Pacquiao has killed boxers with movements before. He's actually regressed moving up in weight against boxers, as Pac-Marquez 3 showed.

[GRUSTLER]

So good fighters can take a great fighter like JMM to hell and back 3 times? Have you not noticed? Every fighter's team seeks to match them up with against fighters they'll look good against and/or makes the most $$. That's how the business is, unfortunately. Hell, that's exactly what Sergio is TRYING to do here, you really think his biggest challenges are guys fighting two weight divisions below him?

I have no issues that Pac/JMM have been in wars and made great fights but when Freddie Roach, Alex Ariza and Pacquiao fans discredit Marquez before the 3rd fight saying that Pac is new and improved and that he was going to KO Marquez, that Marquez is old and fight won't last only to have the most convinging Pac/JMM fight go in favor of JMM after 7 years and against a fighter who spent most of his time at light weight. People made Pac out to be this super great fighter beating big guys up dominately but a guy he has fought numerous times and should know by now especially Freddie Roach. Gave Pac all he could handle at a weight class that Mayweather made JMM look like he didn't belong in.

That version of JMM would give Manny a tough fight as well because it ain't about nothing but styles. Pac hasn't improved and hasn't been taught how to adapt to fighters who are technical and box. His trainer is to blame for that. Sergio Martinez should focus on his division(s) and score some fantastic wins. Forget Pac and them other guys because no one will fight him. 168 might be too much for Sergio like 154 was too much for Pac and that's why he had to grab his title at 150. Martinez moved up from JMW to MDW and beat the division champion, smashed Paul William and served Sergei. Dude is the truth.

[AFighter4U]

You guys love to recreate history. Before Pac fought Cotto at 145 he fought Oscar De La Hoya at the full WW limit. Why fight Oscar at 147 and not Cotto?

and you don't know your history.

dela hoya was the cash cow at the time he fought manny and thus dictated the terms of the fight. because dela hoya held all the cards, manny had to risk jumping up two whole weight classes.

to give you an idea of manny's situation since you don't know your history, before fighting dela hoya, manny FOUGHT AT 135, LIGHTWEIGHT, whereas before fighting manny, dela hoya FOUGHT AT 154, SUPER WELTERWEIGHT.

dela hoya held all the cards, AND HE USED IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE. pity he didn't put to full use his advantages.

by the time manny fought cotto, he had more leverage in negotiating the terms for their fight.

[WESS]

and you don't know your history.

dela hoya was the cash cow at the time he fought manny and thus dictated the terms of the fight. because dela hoya held all the cards, manny had to risk jumping up two whole weight classes.

to give you an idea of manny's situation since you don't know your history, before fighting dela hoya, manny FOUGHT AT 135, LIGHTWEIGHT, whereas before fighting manny, dela hoya FOUGHT AT 154, SUPER WELTERWEIGHT.

dela hoya held all the cards, AND HE USED IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE. pity he didn't put to full use his advantages.

by the time manny fought cotto, he had more leverage in negotiating the terms for their fight.

lol... and this is why Floyd gets hated on and yet you use it towards your agenda. Man some of you clowns are too new to the game to even understand the irony of your post..

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, it is a fair point to make, but I'm just saying that Pacquiao has killed boxers with movements before. He's actually regressed moving up in weight against boxers, as Pac-Marquez 3 showed.

He hasn't regressed, IMO he never progressed as much as his people claimed. Diaz, Cotto, clottey, hatton, margs. ALL very similar, produced great results. JMM (skilled counterpuncher) and shane (movement) results not as expected.

Is it possible the reports of manny's progress were off given his opponents?

[The Big Dunn]

and you don't know your history.

dela hoya was the cash cow at the time he fought manny and thus dictated the terms of the fight. because dela hoya held all the cards, manny had to risk jumping up two whole weight classes.

to give you an idea of manny's situation since you don't know your history, before fighting dela hoya, manny FOUGHT AT 135, LIGHTWEIGHT, whereas before fighting manny, dela hoya FOUGHT AT 154, SUPER WELTERWEIGHT.

dela hoya held all the cards, AND HE USED IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE. pity he didn't put to full use his advantages.

by the time manny fought cotto, he had more leverage in negotiating the terms for their fight.

AGree withat manny's leverage was different and he used it accordingly.

[GRUSTLER]

Not lately, because he hasn't been fighting them Since he left Murad and went to TR, they have smartly protected and enhanced their investment by limiting manny's exsposure to boxers with movement. I think that is a fair point to make. Morales and JMM are great fighters. But lets be real. JMM was a 9-1 underdog who was matched against manny a 3rd time in the hopes manny would finally produce a stellar performance against a boxer with movement. He failed to meet te "floyd standard" of looking great against all opposition.

And that's the thing. Freddie Roach was banking on JMM not being effective at 144 catchweight because of the fight with Floyd. Noticed how surprised he was after the fight? What kind of world renown trainer would be surprised about a fighter (JMM) giving his fighter problems (Pac) when that has always been the case? Set up back fired.

[bojangles1987]

He hasn't regressed, IMO he never progressed as much as his people claimed. Diaz, Cotto, clottey, hatton, margs. ALL very similar, produced great results. JMM (skilled counterpuncher) and shane (movement) results not as expected.

Is it possible the reports of manny's progress were off given his opponents?

Does this guy look like boxers who move bother him? Pacquiao's career started way before he fought any of the guys you mentioned.

[Mr. Philadel]

While lineal middleweight champion Sergio Martinez had a 2011 campaign that was definitely successful, with two HBO-televised victories over opponents with a combined 60-0 (37) record, it goes without saying that it didn’t quite stack up to his marvelous 2010 run.

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shots fired!!

[The Big Dunn]

And that's the thing. Freddie Roach was banking on JMM not being effective at 144 catchweight because of the fight with Floyd. Noticed how surprised he was after the fight? What kind of world renown trainer would be surprised about a fighter (JMM) giving his fighter problems (Pac) when that has always been the case? Set up back fired.

Grus it all comes down to how people see the pac jmm 3 fight. It seems most people were looking at this fight to setup a floyd pac fight. As such, they needed manny to look really strong. It wasn't good enough to just win, he had to win convincingly.