Better career as of now? Ward or Calzaghe?

[THE REED]

I see nothing in Froch that suggests to me that Calzaghe would struggle to outpoint him. Carl's handspeed is laughable, his footwork sucks, half of the time his punches are wide and ineffective, etc..

Calzaghe would take him 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3, easily.

You don't think Calzaghe could have easily beaten 4 of the following?

Mikkel Kessler (already did)
Glen Johnson
Jermain Taylor
Carl Froch
Sakio Bika (already did)
Andre Dirrell
Allen Green
Arthur Abraham
Andre Ward

The only person on this list that gives Joe a real fight is Andre Ward, for obvious, athletic reasons. But I think you guys are vastly overrating Ward's durability, especially agaainst a guy (Calzaghe) who was equally athletic, highly active every round, and adjusted well whenever he had to.

Dirrell too imo

[The Surgeon]

But, Kessler was much fresher, more active and really better when he fought Calzaghe then the version that fought Ward. That version of Ward is still damn solid.

IDK, sometimes I think Calzaghe gets underrated. He's no ATG. But, he was pretty solid who had a good career.

Didnt Kessler have a bad hand injury going into the Calzaghe fight? And he gave joe some real trouble while Ward just trounced him.


I cant stand Calzaghe and it should be embarrassing to him that threads like this are being made ALREADY considering the length of his "reign"...

[Light_Speed]

As of right now it's pretty even in my book. If Ward beats Bute then his resume is arguably better than Calzaghe's.

[Cardinal Buck]

Calzaghe is up on resume, but I think Ward is a better fighter than peak Calzaghe.

[Guest]

If Calzaghe was American he would be the greatest of all time

[4Corners]

I couldn't believe 2 judges had the fight 115-113, it wasn't close to that. I had it 118-110 Ward, 117-111 at the most.

Andre Ward should be at least number 5 or 6 P4P right now. The only people I would put ahead of him P4P are Floyd, Manny, and maybe Sergio and JMM.

He has great wins over Kessler, Green, Abraham, and Froch. Next, lets see if Lucian Bute really wants it with Andre Ward. I'd like to see Ward fight Bute and than either Anthony or Andre Dirrell to finish off his career at 168. Than, he could move to 175 and fight Hopkins (if he's still around), Pascal, Cloud, Cleverly, Dawson, etc. I really don't see anyone at 168 or 175 beating him. There's no blueprint on Ward, and the only time Froch landed anything significant was when Ward fought on the inside with Froch. If Andre would have just kept his distance, used his jab, and popped him with the right hand like he was every now and then, I doubt he would have lost a round.

People really need to look at how he dominated Kessler, Abraham, Green, and Froch, all of the top 168 lb fighters. The only person I think could beat Ward that's sort of close to his weight is Sergio Martinez, but he's unwilling to fight Ward even at 164/165, let alone 168.

If Ward beats Bute and than either of the Dirrell's, than goes up to 175 and dominates LHW the way he SMW, you'd have to start mentioning him as one of the ATG 168 and 175 lb fighters of all time.

[raf727]

Calzaghe's win over Hopkins gives him the better career.

But Ward has the better resume at 168, already.

basically /thread right there.

theres really no objective standard in boxing to judge them against each other, but personally i believe ward is something special and i think calzaghe was special when he needed to be, if that makes sense.

no hating on joe, dude was a monster, but more than that he understood this is a business and not a sport and he made the right moves at the end of his career to seal his legacy, however small it is.

[SHB]

Heh. This site hasn't changed.

Three different questions here. Who's fought the best opposition, who's made the most of their opportunities and who's the better fighter.

Ward hasn't really fought many decent opponents yet. Kessler lost his way after his 0 was taken (by who?) and I've been saying for years that Froch would get schooled by anyone with half-decent speed and boxing ability. Calzaghe was usually good for one good opposition every couple of years. Roy lite as was said elsewhere.

Who has made the most of their opportunities. Ward of course. Calzaghe's resume was criminal given his talent.

Who's the better boxer? Calzaghe all day long and twice on Sundays. And that's the Calzaghe before he broke his hands and the slapper version. Calzaghe was special folks. Didn't make the most of it for whatever reason (largely mental) but he was.

Ward? He's got plenty of time to get there. He's the closest I've seen at SMW in the last 10 years. He's have lost to Calzaghe, now at least, but in 5 years time we can have the debate again.

[northernmonkey]

I couldn't believe 2 judges had the fight 115-113, it wasn't close to that. I had it 118-110 Ward, 117-111 at the most.

Andre Ward should be at least number 5 or 6 P4P right now. The only people I would put ahead of him P4P are Floyd, Manny, and maybe Sergio and JMM.

He has great wins over Kessler, Green, Abraham, and Froch. Next, lets see if Lucian Bute really wants it with Andre Ward. I'd like to see Ward fight Bute and than either Anthony or Andre Dirrell to finish off his career at 168. Than, he could move to 175 and fight Hopkins (if he's still around), Pascal, Cloud, Cleverly, Dawson, etc. I really don't see anyone at 168 or 175 beating him. There's no blueprint on Ward, and the only time Froch landed anything significant was when Ward fought on the inside with Froch. If Andre would have just kept his distance, used his jab, and popped him with the right hand like he was every now and then, I doubt he would have lost a round.

People really need to look at how he dominated Kessler, Abraham, Green, and Froch, all of the top 168 lb fighters. The only person I think could beat Ward that's sort of close to his weight is Sergio Martinez, but he's unwilling to fight Ward even at 164/165, let alone 168.

If Ward beats Bute and than either of the Dirrell's, than goes up to 175 and dominates LHW the way he SMW, you'd have to start mentioning him as one of the ATG 168 and 175 lb fighters of all time.

you absolute ******! he has beaten two top 168 lb fighters, Kessler and Froch, Green and AA are not even close to been top fighters, everyone he has fought has been one dimensional and slow as ****, dirrel would pick him to pieces and i hate that *****, at 175 he would get ****ing mauled! Cleverly would stop him, Dawson would outbox him and Bhop would school him, this is the peak of wards career, its all downhill from here!

[SHB]

Didnt Kessler have a bad hand injury going into the Calzaghe fight? And he gave joe some real trouble while Ward just trounced him.


I cant stand Calzaghe and it should be embarrassing to him that threads like this are being made ALREADY considering the length of his "reign"...

In fairness, the threads are being made by idiots. And if you're going to say Kessler had hand trouble you're just leaving yourself open for people to point out that Calzaghe was a) at the very end of his career and b) had hands of glass at that stage. That wasn't a prime Calzaghe, certainly not physically.

This post sums up a lot of the nonsense about Calzaghe, mainly because a lot of people only saw him after Lacy. His physical peak was much earlier. I'd love to see the Calzaghe of the time of Reid and Sheika around a few years later or especially now. Different animals. That Calzaghe could have hung with a prime Jones, and there ain't many you can say that about.