Better career as of now? Ward or Calzaghe?

[SHB]

you absolute ******! he has beaten two top 168 lb fighters, Kessler and Froch, Green and AA are not even close to been top fighters, everyone he has fought has been one dimensional and slow as ****, dirrel would pick him to pieces and i hate that *****, at 175 he would get ****ing mauled! Cleverly would stop him, Dawson would outbox him and Bhop would school him, this is the peak of wards career, its all downhill from here!

A Cleverly fight would be interesting. I think Ward wins that. Hopkins finally looks to have had his meeting with Father Time. Dawson? Depends on the Dawson that turns up.

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[The Surgeon]

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Pitty, guys a legend!

[Light_Speed]

Who's the better boxer? Calzaghe all day long and twice on Sundays.

What criteria do you use to qualify one better than the other? Because Ward has more boxing skills than Calzaghe but Calzaghe was faster and had more natural agility.

[The Surgeon]

In fairness, the threads are being made by idiots. And if you're going to say Kessler had hand trouble you're just leaving yourself open for people to point out that Calzaghe was a) at the very end of his career and b) had hands of glass at that stage. That wasn't a prime Calzaghe, certainly not physically.

This post sums up a lot of the nonsense about Calzaghe, mainly because a lot of people only saw him after Lacy. His physical peak was much earlier. I'd love to see the Calzaghe of the time of Reid and Sheika around a few years later or especially now. Different animals. That Calzaghe could have hung with a prime Jones, and there ain't many you can say that about.

Fair play regarding Calzaghe's hands he turned pure slapper late due to that. But NEVER at ANY point could he have hung with a Prime Roy Jones, NEVER.

The Calzaghe of Ried times should have Lost to Reid who was nothing special

The guy just didnt make full use of his gifts by testing himself with the best, Froch isnt the fighter Calzaghe was but he gets my respect far more for how he has went about his career

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In fairness, the threads are being made by idiots. And if you're going to say Kessler had hand trouble you're just leaving yourself open for people to point out that Calzaghe was a) at the very end of his career and b) had hands of glass at that stage. That wasn't a prime Calzaghe, certainly not physically.

This post sums up a lot of the nonsense about Calzaghe, mainly because a lot of people only saw him after Lacy. His physical peak was much earlier. I'd love to see the Calzaghe of the time of Reid and Sheika around a few years later or especially now. Different animals. That Calzaghe could have hung with a prime Jones, and there ain't many you can say that about.

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[SHB]

What criteria do you use to qualify one better than the other? Because Ward has more boxing skills than Calzaghe but Calzaghe was faster and had more natural agility.

More boxing skills? Not as far as I can see.

I base it on who I think would win the fight. Early Calzaghe would blast him out with speed and power. Later Calzaghe would outwork and slap him around from the inside. If Ward pulls a Bika, like he did vs Kessler, then Calzaghe wins on the back foot. Ward possibly beats the Calzaghe of the last couple of fights, but Calzaghe was largely shot by then.

That for me is the biggest tragedy of Calzaghe ... too much too late. It's also the biggest tragedy of Froch ... he was a lot quicker than this in his 20's but simply didn't fight anyone of note until he was on the down slope. Could have been special. Shame. Still had a good career though.

[SHB]

Fair play regarding Calzaghe's hands he turned pure slapper late due to that. But NEVER at ANY point could he have hung with a Prime Roy Jones, NEVER.

The Calzaghe of Ried times should have Lost to Reid who was nothing special

The guy just didnt make full use of his gifts by testing himself with the best, Froch isnt the fighter Calzaghe was but he gets my respect far more for how he has went about his career

You do realise he broke his hand vs Reid. He won it one-handed. Reid was a world level fighter who had just been robbed out in Germany by the single worst refereeing performance I have ever witnessed. I'd say a prime Reid beats a prime Froch. Please don't bring up the horrible spectacle when they fought when Reid came out of retirement. To even get to the end of the fight was an achievement. To win was immense. Have a word mun.

Froch gets more respect? Who the hell did he fight until he passed 30? Both as bad as each other on that score. And a shame on both counts.

[Light_Speed]

More boxing skills? Not as far as I can see.

I base it on who I think would win the fight. Early Calzaghe would blast him out with speed and power. Later Calzaghe would outwork and slap him around from the inside. If Ward pulls a Bika, like he did vs Kessler, then Calzaghe wins on the back foot. Ward possibly beats the Calzaghe of the last couple of fights, but Calzaghe was largely shot by then.

That for me is the biggest tragedy of Calzaghe ... too much too late. It's also the biggest tragedy of Froch ... he was a lot quicker than this in his 20's but simply didn't fight anyone of note until he was on the down slope. Could have been special. Shame. Still had a good career though.

Who has the better fundamentals? That's what I mean by boxing skills, not who is the better fighter. Hopkins has more boxing skills than Jones but Jones was the better fighter in his prime because of his reflexes and athleticism.

[The Surgeon]

More boxing skills? Not as far as I can see.

I base it on who I think would win the fight. Early Calzaghe would blast him out with speed and power. Later Calzaghe would outwork and slap him around from the inside. If Ward pulls a Bika, like he did vs Kessler, then Calzaghe wins on the back foot. Ward possibly beats the Calzaghe of the last couple of fights, but Calzaghe was largely shot by then.

That for me is the biggest tragedy of Calzaghe ... too much too late. It's also the biggest tragedy of Froch ... he was a lot quicker than this in his 20's but simply didn't fight anyone of note until he was on the down slope. Could have been special. Shame. Still had a good career though.

He hardly did TOO MUCH too late, fighting an old ass Hopkins in a fight that along with boring me to death had the industry split on who actually won, Joe just wasnt landing anything clean. That GIF of him missing every shot in a pathetic windmill attack sticks with me. And Jones was a rotting corpse who still went the distance and even floored Joe.

Carl didnt turn pro until 25 so he couldnt really make his move too early, he's actually at his best Now imo but i do expect him to start slipping soon