Yeah, Barrera clearly won the first one. No doubt about it.
At that time, along with Mayweather and Roy Jones, Morales was my favourite fighter.
So me saying Barrera won is pretty much confirmig Barrera won. Very veyr hard to argue it any other way.
On the flipside, I think the same applies for the second fight. Morales clearly won the second fight IMO.
The 3rd fight, most people give to Barrera but I felt Morales won it by a point. I didn't complain with the Decision though and still don't because it was razor close.
Barrera winning that first fight was an ATG victory on every level.
I agree. Morales knocking out Chacon is one of my favourite one punch KO's. The ref also missed a knockdown for Morales in the second match with Barrera, I agree with Morales winning that bout. Really showed how good of a boxer he CAN be, when he wants.
Who has JMM beaten aside from Pacquiao for him to be considered much greater than Cotto? Is Vernon Forrest greater than DLH because he beat Mosley twice also?
He beat an over the hill Barrera and....?
When he fought another great fighter in Chris John he lost. A bunch of good names in his resume, just like Cotto.
JMM in no way has a much better resume than Cotto and both of their boxer/puncher skill sets are top notch with each having their own strengths.
Cotto is your name and avy... even if you get proven wrong you're going to **** ride Cotto to death.
you don't actually want to debate, you just want to get across your talking points
Yeah, Barrera clearly won the first one. No doubt about it.
At that time, along with Mayweather and Roy Jones, Morales was my favourite fighter.
So me saying Barrera won is pretty much confirmig Barrera won. Very veyr hard to argue it any other way.
On the flipside, I think the same applies for the second fight. Morales clearly won the second fight IMO.
The 3rd fight, most people give to Barrera but I felt Morales won it by a point. I didn't complain with the Decision though and still don't because it was razor close.
Barrera winning that first fight was an ATG victory on every level.
wow, you thought Morales won the 3rd fight? I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say that.
Barrera very clearly won the 3rd imo, although it was nuts seeing how exhausted Barrera was in the 12th.
No one replied? Strange. I must have missed that I would have happily replied.
Erik Morales to me is certainly greater than Marquez. Even with his win over Pacquaio in the 3rd fight. After Marquez' win I'm ok with people saying he's on his level, before that I wasn't.
Before that, it wasn't even argubale.
I mean, his wins over Pacquaio and prime Barrera were utterly better than Marquez' whole career.
Let alone; Zaragoza, McCullogh, Ayala, Jones, Espadas Jr, Chavez, Hernandez etc. Along with his 13 title defences.
Of course his recent performance closes the gap, but still, for me Morales is still greater. His resume is just much better.
As for Barrera, similar kind of thing. Despite me personally ranking Morales higher than Barrera, Barrera's clear win over a prime Morales was better than anything Marquez had ever done prior to his 3rd fight with Pac.
Along with his wins over McKinndey, Hamed, Tapia, Ayala, and the third fight with Morales (I felt Morales won by a point, but obviously there's a strong argument for Barrera, could have gone either way in my book.) and 16 Title defences.
Again, prior to the 3rd Pacquaio fight and even still now to be honest, Barrera's resume is clearly better than Marquez'. Like I said about Morales and have been saying since the Pac fight was signed; If Marquez wants to be remebered on the level of Barrera and Morales then he needs to beat Pacquaio. So, now I am ok with people comparing them. But still, for me, and most, Morales and Barrea are greater, they just have better resumes, simple as that.
Marquez has a good resume, but like Steak said in the other thread, after Pac, his resume is not too strong.
The 2nd Pac fight is very arguable. And despite me feeling that Marquez won I felt it could have gone either way. Which I generally don't put on a fighter's resume despite feeling he won. As opposed to the third fight, which I felt Marquez won clearly, to which I do put on their resume when ranking I.e Johnson UD Pastrano, Whitaker UD Ramirez and Chavez etc.
So other than that; Good wins over Medina, Gainer, Barrera (Past his best but still capable) Casamyor, Diaz x2 and Katsidis. Good resume, but does it compare to Morales' or Barrera's pre Pac 3? Absolutely not.
And even with the Pacquaio win Barrera and Morales' resume are atleast on par, and in most peoples minds aheead of Marquez.
It's very difficult to give a reasonable argument that he's greater than Morales or Barrera.
Nuff said. You convinced me. Great post and thanks for the reply! Green K sent!
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