Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

[JAB5239]

I think it's fair to include both Haye's and Adamek's Cruiserweight fights and even their Light Heavyweight fights in the mix here, considering the size of some of the fighters who were called Heavyweights back in Louis's day. Would you agree?

I'd say that's fair. I still wouldn't put either anywhere near close to Louis in terms of skills and power though.

[Mr.0pal]

not sure.... i would have to see joe louis on steroids for an even comparison.

[Superflo777]

not sure.... i would have to see joe louis on steroids for an even comparison.

Besides being caught one time during his early amateur career, what points do yo have to back up your claim he is using steroids in his pro career? He sure doesn't look like his shape isn't natural. Unbased claim, dismissed.

[nomadman]

I'd say that's fair. I still wouldn't put either anywhere near close to Louis in terms of skills and power though.

Honestly, as much as I hate Haye, I consider him to have had enormous power for his size. He also routinely launched himself into his shots, getting even more power into his punches, though it cost him in terms of balance, combination potential, defense and a whole load of other things. In terms of sheer explosive energy though I have a hard time comparing him to many other heavyweights.

Adamek's a strange case. He doesn't really carry a bonafide heavyweight's body, and was most definitely blown up by the time he fought there, but in every other weight division he's campaigned in including Cruiserweight he had very respectable one hit power which he was able to land in combinations. At heavyweight he became a feather fist which if anything highlights the gulf in physical resilience between the heavies and everyone else.

The fact that Louis was able to drop big heavies, even of the Abe Simon variety, with one shot argues strongly in favour of his power, though for me the key to Louis's power resided in his precision and sharpness more than his concussive force. Watching his knockouts you're always struck by how cleanly he catches opponents. He very rarely whiffed or caught opponents with a glancing blow a la Foreman. When you're landing that cleanly and with that sort of picture book technique you're going to cause some damage.

Thing is, when you're thinking about the types of punchers that hurt both the Klits in the past it's frequently been the big clubbing types, the guys with that explosive concussive force in their fists: Peter, Lewis, Sanders (he was more the explosive type), Brewster, big heavy resilient guys who barrelled forward throwing caution to the wind. Louis never really showed that sort of reckless abandon; he picked his shots when he saw openings and generally kept his composure at all other times. Against the ultra cautious Wlad of today this poses a bit of a problem, because Wlad makes so few mistakes and keeps himself at arm's length with his amazing jab. Louis would be forced to lunge forward, and that's not really his game (though he did it on occasion) and that's really not a recipe for success, as Haye found out.

If Louis were to have any success it would be against Vitali, who gives you more opportunities for openings whilst also dishing out more damage. I still can't see him winning, but then I literally can't picture any way in which he beats Wlad.

[nomadman]

Besides being caught one time during his early amateur career, what points do yo have to back up your claim he is using steroids in his pro career? He sure doesn't look like his shape isn't natural. Unbased claim, dismissed.

It's well known that Louis used steroids throughout the middle to latter part of his career, including his comeback fight. Just because a fighter doesn't look like they're juicing doesn't mean he isn't doing it, take Briggs for example. Louis might not have been Toney in the physique department but to a trained eye like mine he was definitely on prednisolone, methylprednisolone, dexamethasone and probably even creatine. It shouldn't detract from his legacy of course, since everyone else was using them as well (Baer was a raging Muscletech addict). At any rate, they were primarily to help him with recovery between fights and aid him a little with his chin.

Both the Klits though, they're as clean as a vascular whistle.

[Ascended]

95% of NSB does not know just how vast the skill advantage for Louis is here. Vitali better hope his size is too much, because he doesn't even have half of Louis's skills. And it's not like Louis has never fought men Vitali's size.

Why do you idiots always say size only while leaving out how they moved back then you idiot follower

Joe never fought anybody tall and skilled with good movement like vit so you lied you idiot try watching Matches instead of repeating dumb quotes

like why would you compare the people Joe fought to any modern when those in joe era was missing advances your a idiot

[Ascended]

Not a single stylistic similarity between Carnera and Klitschko. Carnera was completely orthodox and Klitschko, is, of course, Klitschko, the exact opposite.

Yea none at all and these crazy followers been repeating that dumb quote for years cause they dont watch

Like anybody who watched matches can see klit is way more skilled and a better mover and way more polished then that trash fighter

Like only a idiot would compare anybody joe fought to a modern its crazy

[Ascended]

Yes, that's correct.

Based on seeing quite a few Vitali fights on TV and some internet viewing of Louis. Also based on the generally accepted consensus that Joe's boxing skills were superior to nearly all fighters past and present. Yes. That is my opinion.

Next rhetorical question please.

And your wrong you crazy idiot cause joe wasnt better when he was missing advances they had in tech and movement so how can he be better you idiot

[Ascended]

I am ok with people calling me ****** or crazy, I think Joe Louis could win this one.

Good speed really good pop a better boxer, Vitali has power but I don't see him hitting Joe with a lot, and I think Vitali would fight different if Louis nailed him. Joe Louis could box and was athletic.


I don't see how Vit could dictate the fight all 12. Joe was a good boxer and quick as hell and he could crack on a high level.

I can see Joe winning a decision especially if it was an old school championship fight of 15 rounds.

I won't dismiss Vitali as I think he's done basically what he could against who he fought, but I can see Joe giving him a real hard time.


If it went 15, I vote Joe, goes 12, I can see Vit eeking it out or Joe winning a close one.


Both great fighters.

Kind of bitter at Vitali for skipping three years while being an emeritus champ and basically holding the division hostage.

You think crazy cause on vid shows joe was to outdated and slow how would he land you crazy cause that makes no sense

[Ascended]

I think Louis would have eviscerated the Lennox who showed up that night. Vitali made his rep on winning a few early rounds against a great one before his face fell apart and was the last man hurt (even if he deserved another round). Louis would have leveled a Lewis who dared to show up that slow and at a career high weight.

I'm sure you disagree. All good.

We can at least agree on the neutral corner.

You people are so crazy how would joe beat lennox when he never would land watch Matches cause your a idiot