MythBusters: Cotto was slowing down

[hkp30l]

Really, "idiot"? That's how it works here when disagreeing? LOL, noted. Anyway, the Cotto fans sitting all around me at MSG seemed relieved (not pissed) when the fight was called. A few even started to roar with delight when Cotto's glove needed attending earlier, thinking that the fight had been called. To me, Cotto was "changing his strategy" towards holding and running because he had nothing left.

To me, like Cheato you're in desperate need of an eye doctor.

[Tiozzo]

Worst case scenario Cotto would have clinched and coast to an easy UD ur post is senseless.

yeah he tried to do that in the first fight, but his bicycle failed him

[Tiozzo]

stop watching fights drunk, margarito was gettin painted all over the ****in ring in round 9. He was puttin on what emannuel steward likes to call "ineffective pressure" meaning all that pressure he was puttin on cotto in round 9 was not doing **** because he wasnt landing like the first fight. Cotto was on his way to a TKO stopagge or Clear cut UD.

i know cotto would of won those 3 rounds there was nothing to suggest he was slowing down in fact he was planting his feet more and throwing more power shots...so where does the show he was slowing down

we will never know unfortunately

Believe me, I understand your point. Cotto DID look a bit tired towards the later rounds but I don't think he was entirely spent as they make it seem. The difference was that he was tired solely because of the movement he exerted, rather than movement AND body punches from Margarito as was the case in the first fight. Margarito looked VERY ineffective in the fight. He had his spots here and there and I believe round 4 was the most effective he was. I think it was when Cotto stood his ground, put the earmuffs on, crouched, and Margarito would catch him two or three times over and over with the uppercuts. Other than that, what I saw was Cotto landing snapping punches whenever the exchanges happened. There was also a moment in the ninth round where Cotto landed some nasty left hooks as Margarito tried to exchange with him by coming forward (it's hard to miss as it's probably the most memorable moment in the fight). Cotto wasn't going to get stopped in Madison Square Garden: pride, 20k fans, his late father, and the motive for revenge (or at least avenging his loss) was there...he could've straight up ran not choosing to throw a single pucnh in those later rounds and STILL won a decision.

89-82 across the scorecards for Cotto, right?

Margarito wins the next three rounds 10-8 (because of Cotto kicking it into full reverse). He still loses 113-112. Margarito was NOT going to win a decision in New York and Cotto was not getting stopped with the way he looked. He might've been dead tired perhaps going into the twelfth but with the way the fight was looking, Margarito's eye was going to deteriorate FASTER than Cotto's stamina at that point.

I don't see how people give Margarito the benefit and say he was going to turn things around when it never looked that way. I get hella' nervous watching Cotto fights, and I remember my family going, "What the hell are you doing?! Stop texting people about the fight and watch the Goddamn fight!" There just came a point (around the 7th round, 8th round) that, for me, the drama of the fight got taken out because of Margarito's eye condition. It was evident they were going to stop it in between rounds sooner or later...

Off-topic: I was more nervous during the Mayweather-Ortiz fight to be honest because Ortiz had a better chance to beat Mayweather than Margarito had with Cotto. Unfortunately, Ortiz naivete/hot-headedness kicked in and he got iced. Yay for me as I was rooting for Mayweather!

I respect your opinion, because you back it up with arguments instead of resorting to childish attacks and insults, which are a clear sign of an inability to debate and to accept opinions that differ from our own

it also appears other posters saw the same thing I saw

I'm not saying Margarito would have won, I'm saying Cotto was breaking down mentally, and slowing down as a consequence

Cotto was landing great shots on Margarito, but he never was hurt, he kept on marching forward talking ****, it has to be very disheartening, couple that with the fatigue, the pressure, the flashbacks of his 2 previous KO losses, and you have a fighter in survival mode to a certain extent

I believe Cotto is damaged goods mentally, when Mayorga started connecting with nice punches in combos at some point and started pressing, Cotto became very worried, and it was very apparent on his face, as Lampley pointed out before he came out of his corner for the next round

it's not hard for me to picture Cotto managing to run and survive in those last 3 rounds, and it's not hard to picture him eventually totally folding under the pressure either and taking a knee

as the fight progressed, Cotto was standing his ground less and less

[NAPO]

I agree. Some may think he was slowing down, but truth is he was only planting his feet more often and getting hit in the process. Not like Marg's punches were having much of an effect though... To me it was starting to look a bit like the Mosley fight.

There it is...


He was planting his feet more in the 9th round, reason why he was getting hit but at the same time he was pushing Margarito to the ropes hitting HARD Body and Left hook shots.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I am sorry, I disagree Cotto was slowing down, at the end of that round Margarito made a gesture to his corner on his way back with his gloves, basically saying Miguel was done he had nothing, and suddenly the Dr stops the fight.

I do not believe if the fight continued that Miguel would have made it through rounds 10, 11 and 12 there were three rounds left not two as people have been saying. and Cotto never once hurt Margarito he got at that eye but thats it.

Sure he did land nice shots and boxed beautifully the first half of the fight but it started looking like a repeat of the first fight even HBO stated this in the middle rounds.

However this is no way revenge, you dont claim victory and say you got revenge when your opponent leaves the ring in your back yard smack talking the **** out of you in front of your people, revenge is where you shut his ****ing mouth and that didnt happen.

I am going to be real the way Miguel beat Tony on saturday is the only way he can beat Tony, is to have bigger gloves, the fight in the garden, ****m Richardson and a catch weight agreement only to win like that all that work for that type of win how pathetic.... whats worse is those who are actually happy that it ended that way...

[Fistic]

He wasnt. Looked perfectly fine to me landing bombs

Marg fans are obvious psychics

I thought it was obvious Cotto was breaking down mentally. I believe the fans prefer not to see it for what it is because they despise Margarito, but Cotto may have been saved from another KO loss last night, by the doctors that is.

^This must be one of the psychics.

[sunny31]

yeah he tried to do that in the first fight, but his bicycle failed him

Wrong...this is wrong and an important difference from the first fight...cotto still had to win rounds that is why he was still throwing lots of leather and exchanging with margs in the later rounds in the first fight, thus getting beaten up. He did not need to do that this time as he had the fight in the bag. From a mental point of view that is huge! Anyway physically he was less worn down, and took less punishment, which is proven by factual data. Margarito had a long...looong way to go before stopping cotto. When you can see the finish line that is much easier to deal with, I personally didn't see that margarito had the energy to put on the type of onslaught needed to turn the fight. A more likely scenario is some more competitive rounds, and in the 12th round you might have seen cotto give everything left in the tank to make a point.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

[jazluvr]

Cotto did fine. He looked disappointed when they stopped the fight. He didn't run away, he fought smart, using lateral movement, sticking to Cotto's way on how to beat Tony, he would beat him even with 2 good eyes, just not as easy as he did. And by not allowing Tony to pressure him, even pushing Tony back a few times. Awesome. Tony is no longer Cotto's "daddy".

Tony got licensed only because of the tremendous amount of pressure and $$$. Remember, they almost didn't give it to him. So when an already very nervous NYSAC stopped the fight in the 9th, (he's lucky...they wanted to stop it in the 8th), they were covering not only Tony's health, but their own asses.

Tony still has a dam good chin, probably always will, and a heart that will not ever stop.
I give both guys credit for fighting their hearts out. Both very tough guys. But this time, it was Cotto's night. This, nobody can dispute.

He was in the best shape of his life, and it showed. He had to come up with his own plan on how to beat Tony, cuz every boxer fights different. He couldn't fight like Pac, or Mosley, 'cuz he doesn't fight like them. His blueprint worked very well, and he stuck to it, following Diaz's instructions very well.

This time, Cotto had a dam good trainer and most importantly, did exactly what he was told. And he won. And he would win again. He's got the blueprint. Remember, their 1st fight wasn't exactly a shutout, he didn't have a trainer, and he trained himself. That's like an average person representing themselves in court. You need a professional. And that's what made the difference.

[Fistic]

I am sorry, I disagree Cotto was slowing down, at the end of that round Margarito made a gesture to his corner on his way back with his gloves, basically saying Miguel was done he had nothing, and suddenly the Dr stops the fight.

I do not believe if the fight continued that Miguel would have made it through rounds 10, 11 and 12 there were three rounds left not two as people have been saying. and Cotto never once hurt Margarito he got at that eye but thats it.

Sure he did land nice shots and boxed beautifully the first half of the fight but it started looking like a repeat of the first fight even HBO stated this in the middle rounds.

However this is no way revenge, you dont claim victory and say you got revenge when your opponent leaves the ring in your back yard smack talking the **** out of you in front of your people, revenge is where you shut his ****ing mouth and that didnt happen.

I am going to be real the way Miguel beat Tony on saturday is the only way he can beat Tony, is to have bigger gloves, the fight in the garden, ****m Richardson and a catch weight agreement only to win like that all that work for that type of win how pathetic.... whats worse is those who are actually happy that it ended that way...

Would you quit your *****.ing already? The whole leading up to the fight you been on a campaign to discredit Cotto before anything even happened. And now that Margarito was completely outclassed you can't shut the hell up. Cotto is a better boxer and arguably a much better human being than Margs.

DEAL WITH IT.