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  • hkp30l
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    #21
    Originally posted by Tiozzo
    no need to act tough, it is what it is

    Cotto is a mental midget, and he folds under pressure, and yes, he was showing signs of slowing down, no need to be in his head, it could be seen

    he was almost running away (he was in fact) near the end, he wasn't throwing much and Margarito was starting to connect quite a bit, particularly on the inside

    who knows what would have happened in those last 3 rounds, it's clear they would have been the best rounds for Margarito, and Cotto was stopped in the 11th of their first fight

    you are the typical fan who hates on Margarito so much that you don't want to assess the rematch fairly

    believe me, I don't idolize people who fight with bricks in their hands, but I try to remain objective, and last night, Cotto was saved, perhaps, by boxing politics

    in any case, Margarito should have been allowed to finish the fight
    What fight was this idiot watching?

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    • xAUGUSTUSx
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      #22
      Marg was coming on more and more. I'm not saying he would've won but they took away the rounds that he won the fight in the the first fight. Cotto looked pretty rough after the fight. People act like this was pay back. Cotto was getting hurt in there. Alot of you just don't understand and never will so I'm not going to bother anymore.

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      • JOM'S
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        #23
        although it can be argued margarito won the 9th round, cotto for sure did a lot more damage...

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        • -Antonio-
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          #24
          Cotto was pushing marg back and landing the best punches of the fight. He landed three cleanleft hooks in a row at one point. People are focusing too much on the first fight.

          All those little pitty pat punches marg was landing inside did nothing. Cotto was in full control.

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          • -Antonio-
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            #25
            Originally posted by xAUGUSTUSx
            Marg was coming on more and more. I'm not saying he would've won but they took away the rounds that he won the fight in the the first fight. Cotto looked pretty rough after the fight. People act like this was pay back. Cotto was getting hurt in there. Alot of you just don't understand and never will so I'm not going to bother anymore.
            He was getting touched but it was by smothered punches inside. Cotto had the right gameplan this time out.

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            • sunny31
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              #26
              I think the slightly different tactics that cotto used bought him more energy than he had at the same point in the first fight, yes he was getting tired, but not like the first fight. By round 9-10 in the first fight Cotto was scraping the barrel and was actually his heart carried him through for a 2 rounds before the stoppage. I did not get that impression at all this time. Another thing which many people are missing is that cotto had the fight in the bag, he only had to nullify marg in the remaining rounds, in the first fight even if he made it to the final bell he would have lost because Marg had big rounds earlier in the fight. So overall he fought a better fight with better tactics, basically cotto was not going to lose on sat night.

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              • Chopper417
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                #27
                Good performance from Cotto, although I did think that he was playing with fire by running so much and risking gassing again. I honestly though that the safest place for him to be was directly in Margarito's chest with his chin. I was proud of Cotto though and very happy for him.

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                • hrtshpdbox
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Underated Boxer
                  stop watching fights drunk, margarito was gettin painted all over the ****in ring in round 9. He was puttin on what emannuel steward likes to call "ineffective pressure" meaning all that pressure he was puttin on cotto in round 9 was not doing **** because he wasnt landing like the first fight. Cotto was on his way to a TKO stopagge or Clear cut UD.
                  Cotto's face looked unusually battered for not having **** done to it. Emannuel Steward and the whole HBO crew were watching some fantasy playing out in their own heads, part and parcel of that tiresome revenge kabuki they'd written for the evening - Margarito won the 9th (a great round - don't even Cotto fans want to see great boxing continued into the next round? No, because they're just relieved that the doc stopped it for them). In particular, Kellerman's comments to Margarito post-fight have to go down in the Most Humorous And Bald-Faced Biased Hall Of Shame.

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                  • Hyper Knuckles
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by hrtshpdbox
                    Cotto's face looked unusually battered for not having **** done to it. Emannuel Steward and the whole HBO crew were watching some fantasy playing out in their own heads, part and parcel of that tiresome revenge kabuki they'd written for the evening - Margarito won the 9th (a great round - don't even Cotto fans want to see great boxing continued into the next round? No, because they're just relieved that the doc stopped it for them). In particular, Kellerman's comments to Margarito post-fight have to go down in the Most Humorous And Bald-Faced Biased Hall Of Shame.
                    False on all the above. Cotto swells quite easy these days and even so, Margarito didn't bludgeon Cotto. There were no signs of cuts or swelling. Just minor bruises.
                    The 9th round was deceptively Cotto's. Margarito was throwing many smothered shots, none of which hurt Cotto who was luring Margarito in, throwing him against the ropes like a rag doll and working over the bad eye. It was a snowball effect. Margarito was going to keep falling into Cotto's traps until he was seriously hurt. Cotto wasn't even gassed.

                    Think of it like this man, and I tell ya, it's the perfect analogy--Margarito at the beginning of 9 was told the fight was going to be stopped, it took convincing from Garcia's corner for them to allow the fight to go on.
                    Margarito was looking to press Cotto hard and look for any opening to land something significant but his punches just didn't seem to have any mustard on them at that point.
                    The fight was beginning to look like the beginning 6 rounds of the first one all over again. Beautiful boxing and movement from Cotto and you saw him push Margarito off or walk him back and batter the eye(like he'd keep doing for the next 3 rounds). If YOU'RE the DOCTOR and watching Margarito continue to come forwards and take punishment against Cotto who was landing the power shots in that round, it's obviously a sign of bad things to come for a guy that's just had surgery on his eye the past year. He's not even making an effort to defend. ******. Idk how the fight was going to turn in Marg's favor.
                    Last edited by Hyper Knuckles; 12-05-2011, 10:14 AM.

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                    • TintaBoricua
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Tiozzo
                      no need to act tough, it is what it is

                      Cotto is a mental midget, and he folds under pressure, and yes, he was showing signs of slowing down, no need to be in his head, it could be seen

                      he was almost running away (he was in fact) near the end, he wasn't throwing much and Margarito was starting to connect quite a bit, particularly on the inside

                      who knows what would have happened in those last 3 rounds, it's clear they would have been the best rounds for Margarito, and Cotto was stopped in the 11th of their first fight

                      you are the typical fan who hates on Margarito so much that you don't want to assess the rematch fairly

                      believe me, I don't idolize people who fight with bricks in their hands, but I try to remain objective, and last night, Cotto was saved, perhaps, by boxing politics

                      in any case, Margarito should have been allowed to finish the fight
                      Believe me, I understand your point. Cotto DID look a bit tired towards the later rounds but I don't think he was entirely spent as they make it seem. The difference was that he was tired solely because of the movement he exerted, rather than movement AND body punches from Margarito as was the case in the first fight. Margarito looked VERY ineffective in the fight. He had his spots here and there and I believe round 4 was the most effective he was. I think it was when Cotto stood his ground, put the earmuffs on, crouched, and Margarito would catch him two or three times over and over with the uppercuts. Other than that, what I saw was Cotto landing snapping punches whenever the exchanges happened. There was also a moment in the ninth round where Cotto landed some nasty left hooks as Margarito tried to exchange with him by coming forward (it's hard to miss as it's probably the most memorable moment in the fight). Cotto wasn't going to get stopped in Madison Square Garden: pride, 20k fans, his late father, and the motive for revenge (or at least avenging his loss) was there...he could've straight up ran not choosing to throw a single pucnh in those later rounds and STILL won a decision.

                      89-82 across the scorecards for Cotto, right?

                      Margarito wins the next three rounds 10-8 (because of Cotto kicking it into full reverse). He still loses 113-112. Margarito was NOT going to win a decision in New York and Cotto was not getting stopped with the way he looked. He might've been dead tired perhaps going into the twelfth but with the way the fight was looking, Margarito's eye was going to deteriorate FASTER than Cotto's stamina at that point.

                      I don't see how people give Margarito the benefit and say he was going to turn things around when it never looked that way. I get hella' nervous watching Cotto fights, and I remember my family going, "What the hell are you doing?! Stop texting people about the fight and watch the Goddamn fight!" There just came a point (around the 7th round, 8th round) that, for me, the drama of the fight got taken out because of Margarito's eye condition. It was evident they were going to stop it in between rounds sooner or later...

                      Off-topic: I was more nervous during the Mayweather-Ortiz fight to be honest because Ortiz had a better chance to beat Mayweather than Margarito had with Cotto. Unfortunately, Ortiz naivete/hot-headedness kicked in and he got iced. Yay for me as I was rooting for Mayweather!

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