Was roy jones a paper champ?

[Neuraxis]

DM is a big name in Germany to be certain, and he is a fan favorite there - but everybody knows you have to KO a fighter just to get a draw in Germany if you are from the United States.

I offer an example: Gonzales fought Darius in Germany, and was winning the fight going away - it wasn't even close, still, the German judge had DM winning it 115-113 !! Thank goodness for the Canadian judge and the American judge scoring it 116-112 for Gonzales, which was the right score for the fight.

Darius refused to fight in the United States, and everyone knows if you want the money and the belts - you have to go where the Champion is which was Jones, the WBO belt which DM held is basically the "Eurobelt" and even Wlad and Vitali knew this and knew it wasn't highly regarded by anyone in the boxing community, that's why they came to the U.S. - for the money and a shot at the more highly regarded belts. If they could do it, then why not Darius?!
The answer is simple - DM didn't want any part of Jones....

And the fact that the IBF and WBA stripped soon after he beat Hill.

[Neuraxis]

Roy Jones WON the WBC title against Mike McCallum before it was vacanted to reach the hands of Rocchiagini. The title was stripped long before Rocchiagini fought Michalczewski.

Michalczewski dropped the IBF belt when he did not want to face William Guthrie. Roy got this belt by beating Reggie Johnson (who won it against Guthrie).

Michalczewski was stripped of the WBA belt. Jones WON this WBA Light Heavyweight belt against Lou Del Valle, who got the vacant WBA Light Heavyweight Title by beating Fast Eddy Smulders.

Stripped? You mean stolen. Rocchigiani lost to DM in his next fight after beating Nunn for the WBC belt. The IBF ordered DM to fight Guthrie within 30 days of beating Hill. The WBA stripped DM because he had the WBO.

[Neuraxis]

johnson was not the first guy to pressure on jones. bryant brannon put a hell of alot more pressure on him and he got ktfo in the second round, but that was prime roy jones. i take nothing away from tarver's victory but i think jones had already lost a step for the second tarver fight. johnson's face first style would have got him torn apart by a prime roy.

DM would have also pressured RJJ and he also has a lot better offensive weapons than Johnson has.

[KJ]

Stripped? You mean stolen. Rocchigiani lost to DM in his next fight after beating Nunn for the WBC belt. The IBF ordered DM to fight Guthrie within 30 days of beating Hill. The WBA stripped DM because he had the WBO.

They said Rocchigiani never won the belt and they were wrong in saying this, and they lost in court.

When Michalczewski fought Rocchigiani, Rocchigiani did not have the WBC title (lost it 10 moths before the fight). Michalczewski should have fought Jones for IF he wanted belt.

Jones had this belt(!!!!!), BEFORE it was thrown in between the feets NUNN and Rocchigiani by the WBC.

[zoo]

Of course Roy was a paper champ, you can argue he was the best light heavyweight, but the fact is DM was the real man at that weight. DM should have held everysingle title in light heavyweight division, here is why:

IBF: Beat Hill, but the IBF for some reason forced DM to defend it in 30 days. That is not just absurb but it is dangerous to take on two world class oppenents in such a short period of time.

WBA: Also won this from Hill, but the WBA just stripped it, no reason givin other than that the WBA and IBF don't get along.......real fair for the fighter caught in the middle.

WBC: Here is one you probably didn't know about, but it is the truth. In 1998 Graciano Rocchigiani fought Michael for what should have been the vacant WBC light heavyweight championship. At the last minute the WBC said it was for an interm title and Roy Jones was fighting for the real title. The case was taken to court and here was the result:

In June 1998 the WBC suddenly declared this bout (Rocchigiani/Nunn) an "interim" title fight. Rocchigiani sued and was awarded $31 million. In April 2003 a United States District Judge restored Rocchigiani’s WBC light heavyweight championship, but only through April 2000, when Rocchigiani lost to Dariusz Michalczewski.

I rest my case.

[KJ]

Roy Jones WON the major titles (WBC, IBF, WBA). That some people (or their management) are too clumsie to hold on the belts they won is not Jones fault.

Jones won all of the belts by beating the holder of the belt:
- WBC: Mike McCallum
- WBA: Lou Del Valle
- IBF: Reggie Johnson

(Nunn and Rocchigiani fought for jones' WBC belt, that was temperarely away from jones, and in this process Rocchigiani was seriously wronged by the WBC).

So jones is not a paper champ! NO WAY!

[KJ]

...but the WBA just stripped it, no reason givin other than that the WBA and IBF don't get along......

It was because of the WBO title.

[Neuraxis]

They said Rocchigiani never won the belt and they were wrong in saying this, and they lost in court.

When Michalczewski fought Rocchigiani, Rocchigiani did not have the WBC title (lost it 10 moths before the fight). Michalczewski should have fought Jones for IF he wanted belt.

Jones had this belt(!!!!!), BEFORE it was thrown in between the feets NUNN and Rocchigiani by the WBC.

Shouldn't RJJ have had to fight for the belt by beating Rocchigiani? Like I've been saying it wasn't lost, it was stolen.

[bpapa420]

Here are the facts roy stole the wbc belts.
Therefore RJJ+Stolen belts=Paper champ

end of story

[Dark Destroyer]

He would have killed DM and you know it.

Yeah he would have eaten him and his children. Roy was the man