Was roy jones a paper champ?

[WidowTaker40]

That is a different poster. I am the Original Widow, the WIDOWTAKER

[KJ]

Sorry but accepting stolen belts without fighting for them is something that a paper champ does.

He fought and won the belt against Mike McCallum

[Sidestep_1]

DM has something that everyone who fought RJJ at LHW didn't have, power. After beating Hill he was 14-0 with 14 KOs.

DMīs power is much overrated! He couldnīt send Gonzales, Hall, Hill to the canvas which Roy could, and many of his "KO" victories habe been premature stoppings with his opponents still on their feet. He was saved several times by the Refs or the judges and was hit in nearly every fight as much that it wouldīve killed him if he had fought Jones.

Another point is: Tarver and Johnson beat Roy, who said that DM could beat him now? DM is shot (no matter if he can beat Grandpa Tiozzo ), and I would still favor Jones to TKO him in a fight.

[Neuraxis]

He fought and won the belt against Mike McCallum

Regardless he later stole the belt from Rocchigiani.

[m00ks]

mooks

i think your arguing with the wrong guy. I was referring to someone else's description of Jones when usuing the term "exposed"...hence the quote marks.

Jones is a horses' ass, but I always give him his credit.

Ahh sorry bud, I was quick on the trigger . Just that so many haters out there that can't give credit where it's due.

[dino]

how the hell can u whip out 3 divisons (middle super middle and lt heavy) and win belts in 4 divisons and be a paper champ...roy jones is by far the greatest middleweight and supermiddle of all time...top 5 at light heavyweight

[Neuraxis]

DMīs power is much overrated! He couldnīt send Gonzales, Hall, Hill to the canvas which Roy could, and many of his "KO" victories habe been premature stoppings with his opponents still on their feet. He was saved several times by the Refs or the judges and was hit in nearly every fight as much that it wouldīve killed him if he had fought Jones.

Another point is: Tarver and Johnson beat Roy, who said that DM could beat him now? DM is shot (no matter if he can beat Grandpa Tiozzo ), and I would still favor Jones to TKO him in a fight.

RJJ had very little power at all LHW. There is no way he would TKO DM. What does him not being able to KD Gonzales (when he was shot), Hill, or Hall? He KO'd Harmon who RJJ couldn't KO. What were some premature stoppages and times when refs and judges saved him?

[Sidestep_1]

RJJ had very little power at all LHW.

To my mind, Jones just fought different at LHW than he did at SMW, most likely because he was the smaller guy in many cases. That doesnīt mean that he had no power. He still was one the hardest punchers of the devision and he could even impress Ruiz with his punches. DM had a good chin, but I think he wouldīve been knocked out or stopped on cuts.

What were some premature stoppages and times when refs and judges saved him?

I guess youīre European, too, because most fans in the US havenīt seen many of his fights. I have seen them all, and he clearly lost against Girard, Rocchigiani (no BS discussions about drugs, please... ), and in the second fight against Hall he looked much worse than Hall looked in the first, but Hall was taken out of the fight while DM wasnīt.

Premature stoppages have been in his fights with Griffin, Hall I & II, Thadzi, Ka-Dy King. Thatīs my opinion as a boxing fan. If you see it different, why not .

[Neuraxis]

To my mind, Jones just fought different at LHW than he did at SMW, most likely because he was the smaller guy in many cases. That doesnīt mean that he had no power. He still was one the hardest punchers of the devision and he could even impress Ruiz with his punches. DM had a good chin, but I think he wouldīve been knocked out or stopped on cuts.






I guess youīre European, too, because most fans in the US havenīt seen many of his fights. I have seen them all, and he clearly lost against Girard, Rocchigiani (no BS discussions about drugs, please... ), and in the second fight against Hall he looked much worse than Hall looked in the first, but Hall was taken out of the fight while DM wasnīt.

Premature stoppages have been in his fights with Griffin, Hall I & II, Thadzi, Ka-Dy King. Thatīs my opinion as a boxing fan. If you see it different, why not .

RJJ had a KO % of 60% at LHW and DM had 80% and he has never been KD. I've seen most of his fights, and all of the ones you listed, and I'd have to disagree with you completely except for Hall v. DM I being prematurely stopped. How did he lose to Rocchigiani? Rocchigiani was DQ'd after it was ruled a technical draw for Roccigiani hitting DM on a break in their first fight, and DM simply dominated him in their rematch. Did you miss the memo on no standing 8 counts? If a guy is out on his feet, hardly defending himself, and not fighting back, its the refs job to stop the fight. Here is what Griffin's brother said about the DM fight, "He felt like he was treated unjustly in the Olympic Games and in the second Jones fight, where he was rushed into the ring before he could warm up. But there is no doubt that he lost tonight."

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RJJ had a KO % of 60% at LHW and DM had 80% and he has never been KD. I've seen most of his fights, and all of the ones you listed, and I'd have to disagree with you completely except for Hall v. DM I being prematurely stopped.

Ok, you asked for my opnion, and I will answer, but donīt let us turn this into a groupie-/ hater-thing, cause I have no "emotional" attitude towards both of them.

As for the KO-percentage, we have to keep in mind, that Jones started at MW. After he became LHW-champ, he fought two mediocre opponents (Frazier, Kelly), the other opponents have been all decent challengers. DM spent his whole career at LHW and fought (like nearly every boxer...) 20 bums before he took on better opponents. Being a champion, he also fought 8-10 bums . Yes, he is a hard hitter, but some of his challengers wouldīve lost against Andre Ward in his pro debut .

How did he lose to Rocchigiani? Rocchigiani was DQ'd after it was ruled a technical draw for Rocchigiani hitting DM on a break in their first fight, and DM simply dominated him in their rematch.

In the first fight Rocchigiani dominated DM who was just about getting KOīed as he was hit after the break. Of course this was accidental, but DM couldnīt or didnīt want to continue (I favour the second thought...). Anyway, this happened in the 7th round, they went to the scorecards, realized that DM wouldīve lost then and declared a DRAW . Why a draw??? Later Rocchigiani was DQīed for having ephedrin in his A-test. He protested and wanted the B-test to be analized, but it was lost... . Maybe thatīs the reason why many fighters didnīt want to go to Germany. I donīt accuse DM but the men behind him.

The reamtch took place in 2000 and Rocchigiani hadnīt fought for 2,5 years.

Thatīs it for now. DM is ok, but he never tried to find out whatīs his potential, and this really sucks.