Was roy jones a paper champ?

[KJ]

Regardless he later stole the belt from Rocchigiani.

He never lost the belt in a fight (before Tarver). And HE did not steal it. But I said that a couple of times before

But go ahead try to talk something black into someting very very light grey (AKA white), but if I do not responding anymore is not because I agree with you.

(And maybe I will, somethimes I like the "yes-no game" with the my kids also)

[zoo]

He never lost the belt in a fight (before Tarver). And HE did not steal it. But I said that a couple of times before

But go ahead try to talk something black into someting very very light grey (AKA white), but if I do not responding anymore is not because I agree with you.

(And maybe I will, somethimes I like the "yes-no game" with the my kids also)

Roy didn't steal the belt, but in a manner of speaking the belt did fall off the truck and he picked it up. It was the WBC that made the mistake and costed them dearly. I think the whole situation was messed up because it was decided in court that Rocky was the WBC champion before being beaten by DM, but the title still remained with Roy Jones Jr.

[Neuraxis]

He never lost the belt in a fight (before Tarver). And HE did not steal it. But I said that a couple of times before

But go ahead try to talk something black into someting very very light grey (AKA white), but if I do not responding anymore is not because I agree with you.

(And maybe I will, somethimes I like the "yes-no game" with the my kids also)

He forfeited the belt to move up to heavyweight to fight Buster Douglas. Many people believe he did this so he wouldn't have to fight his mandatory Michael Nunn. He had Rocchigiani do his dirty work for him, and then he didn't fight Rocchigiani like he should have. RJJ didn't himself steal the belt, but he did accept a stolen belt that WBC stole from Rocchigiani and gave to him. Its not that difficult.

[Neuraxis]

Ok, you asked for my opnion, and I will answer, but don´t let us turn this into a groupie-/ hater-thing, cause I have no "emotional" attitude towards both of them.

As for the KO-percentage, we have to keep in mind, that Jones started at MW. After he became LHW-champ, he fought two mediocre opponents (Frazier, Kelly), the other opponents have been all decent challengers. DM spent his whole career at LHW and fought (like nearly every boxer...) 20 bums before he took on better opponents. Being a champion, he also fought 8-10 bums . Yes, he is a hard hitter, but some of his challengers would´ve lost against Andre Ward in his pro debut .

So DM had a bum ratio of about 10% higher than RJJ at LHW and it would probably be advantage RJJ if you counted his defenses at MW and SMW. I'd say that's pretty good considering DM only fought in Europe.

[jujitsujn]

Bpapa...you are clearly out of your f'n mind with your statements and lack of logic. It's almost humorous.....almost.

[KJ]

...RJJ didn't himself steal the belt....

Now we are getting somewhere!

[KJ]

He forfeited the belt to move up to heavyweight to fight Buster Douglas. Many people believe he did this so he wouldn't have to fight his mandatory Michael Nunn.

As you know Roy Jones had been talking (and probably dreaming) about the heavy weight title for a long time. He was making the fight with Buster Douglas as a step up to de HW title until his father stood up and prevented Jones from fighting Douglas. Jones and his father (also former trainer) made peace in the process, ending a conflict that had been going on for years with them not speaking to each other.

So are the "many people" also thinking this father-and-son fight , that was staged years before, being a part of the complot for Roy super Jones not wanting to face the at this time of history the "very dangerous" Micheal second to (toney, little (ouch!)) Nunn?!

[Mr. Ryan]

Roy Jones was no paper champ, except at heavyweight. He beat Hopkins at middleweight, Toney at 168, and everybody not named Michaelczewski at 175. True, he fought more bums and cops at 175 than Mike Tyson, but he was the real champ at 175. Rumor has it that he saw a replay of Tyson-Douglas on ESPN Classic and immediately thought "**** this, I'm a millionaire" and bounced.