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  • Dave Rado
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    #91
    Originally posted by crold1
    Dave:

    Williams was rated by almost everyone, including Ring, in the top ten at Middle prior to the rematch.
    Makes no sense to me if so, (a) because Williams hadn't beaten any Middleweights of note, and (b) because Williams insisted on the fight being at catchweight.

    Originally posted by crold1
    That said, I wholeheartedly agree I'd love to see Martinez-Sturm. That's a better fight than most realize. Good luck getting it made.
    I think if Martinez was keen on it, it could be made, but I've never heard him express any interest in it, which is very unfortunate, IMO.

    Originally posted by crold1
    As to Wlad, I think I rate him just fine. I got the Haye pick wrong but...oh well. I don't have to then overrate Wlad's performance which was less than sensational.
    It's not his style to look sensational, but he won almost every round against someone you considered to be good enough to beat him. And in a head to head I believe he would have done better against any of the greats of the past than you seem willing to countenance, and would have beaten quite a few of them - without ever looking sensational. That's provided we're talking about the current version of Wlad, as his jab, ring generalship and footwork are a lot better now than they were even three years ago.

    Originally posted by crold1
    However, if everyone in boxing were the same size, this ten rating would be charitable IMO.
    Yes it's hard for any large H/W to get into the P4P lists. OTOH, if you're basing the list on who would win a head to head if everyone were the same size, as you indicate above, then Mayweather should be ahead of Pac and Ward ahead of Froch, IMO. But instead, you're basing your rankings of those fighters on their resumes rather than on who you think would win a head to head.

    So if we're going on resume rather than on fantasy head to heads, then arguably, being a lineal champion in his weight class for two and a half years, the almost universally ranked #1 fighter in his weight class for 5 years, and a belt holder in his weight class for 6 years uninterrupted (and 11 years with interruptions) - with regular fights against top 10 opposition throughout that period, against whom he's barely lost a round during the last 5 years, gives Wlad a resume to compare with anyone - which I guess is how The Ring justifies their high ranking of him.
    Last edited by Dave Rado; 11-30-2011, 10:25 PM.

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    • Simply Zyzz
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      #92
      i hope you guys didnt honestly think boxingscene would put floyd number 1 over pacquiao... lol the hate from the reporting from here is obvious

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      • Mayabang
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        #93
        Originally posted by DoomCity202
        People believe what they want to believe
        This ******* just happens to have a public platform for his bull****.
        damn, where did you get your sig from? The dude that got ktfo? Is there an actual video with sound?

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        • LeadUppercut
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          #94
          Originally posted by Dave Rado
          I've never heard Martinez express any interest in fighting Sturm. Of course it doesn't help that the (American) interviewers never ask him straight whether he'd like to fight him. But when they ask whom he would like to fight, I've never heard him mention Sturm.

          If Martinez was keen, I'm sure the fight could be made. I'm not saying he's ducking, that would be ridiculous, but he just doesn't seem interested - which is very unfortunate, IMO, and bad for the division.
          What about the little factor of Sturm being keen ?

          Martinez seems to be much more willing to take on all comers than Sturm is.

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          • LeadUppercut
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            #95
            Originally posted by Dave Rado
            Makes no sense to me if so, (a) because Williams hadn't beaten any Middleweights of note, and (b) because Williams insisted on the fight being at catchweight.

            I think if Martinez was keen on it, it could be made, but I've never heard him express any interest in it, which is very unfortunate, IMO.

            It's not his style to look sensational, but he won almost every round against someone you considered to be good enough to beat him. And in a head to head I believe he would have done better against any of the greats of the past than you seem willing to countenance, and would have beaten quite a few of them - without ever looking sensational. That's provided we're talking about the current version of Wlad, as his jab, ring generalship and footwork are a lot better now than they were even three years ago.

            Yes it's hard for any large H/W to get into the P4P lists. OTOH, if you're basing the list on who would win a head to head if everyone were the same size, as you indicate above, then Mayweather should be ahead of Pac and Ward ahead of Froch, IMO. But instead, you're basing your rankings of those fighters on their resumes rather than on who you think would win a head to head.

            So if we're going on resume rather than on fantasy head to heads, then arguably, being a lineal champion in his weight class for two and a half years, the almost universally ranked #1 fighter in his weight class for 5 years, and a belt holder in his weight class for 6 years uninterrupted (and 11 years with interruptions) - with regular fights against top 10 opposition throughout that period, against whom he's barely lost a round during the last 5 years, gives Wlad a resume to compare with anyone - which I guess is how The Ring justifies their high ranking of him.
            That is a good point, the lines are blurred when it comes to P4P criteria.

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            • eklok
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              #96
              manny numero uno!!! wooot!!!

              let the butthurt begin

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              • pacquiao #1 p4p
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                #97
                yup the true @#1 p4p is stull number 1 manny pacquiao!

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Check_hooks
                  lmao and the here come the haters that don't know **** about boxing

                  Pac looked great against Marquez and Mosley. He didn't knock them out but he dominated them in every conceivable way that boxing fights are supposed to be scored. And neither of them have EVER been knocked out before and they ran for dear life so how you gonna hold that against Pac?

                  And who else fought 2 first ballot HOFers in 7 months? No one would even dream of doing that except Pac.

                  I also completely agree with Froch being ahead of Andre "I get cut with headgear and pillows on" Ward

                  The only problem I have with the list is BHop shouldn't be on there after that embarrasing display he put on against Dawson. Wlad should be there and Vitali/Khan should be there.
                  Deluded lmao

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                  • Dave Rado
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by LeadUppercut
                    What about the little factor of Sturm being keen ?

                    Martinez seems to be much more willing to take on all comers than Sturm is.
                    Thing is, no one considers Sturm to be the Middleweight champion. And he knows no one considers him to be a future ATG or Hall of Famer. And he knows he'd be highly likely to lose his title, which is a pot of gold for him, if he fought Martinez. So what's the incentive for Sturm to push for the fight? There is none, unless he received a really good offer from Martinez. OTOH Martinez does have an incentive, because it would cement his status as the Middleweight champion, enhance his P4P status if he won in style, and increase his chances of being considered a great fighter, which does seem to motivate him. It would also be very good for boxing.

                    If the fight were held in Germany with neutral officials, it could make very big bucks for both fighters, big enough bucks to make Sturm risk his title, and big enough bucks to match anything Martinez has earned for a single fight so far. And if the officials were all from neutral countries, I don't see why it shouldn't be held there. Haye has already proved that as long as the officials are neutral, you can win a very close decision in Germany.
                    Last edited by Dave Rado; 12-01-2011, 11:25 PM.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by Dave Rado
                      So if we're going on resume rather than on fantasy head to heads, then arguably, being a lineal champion in his weight class for two and a half years, the almost universally ranked #1 fighter in his weight class for 5 years, and a belt holder in his weight class for 6 years uninterrupted (and 11 years with interruptions) - with regular fights against top 10 opposition throughout that period, against whom he's barely lost a round during the last 5 years, gives Wlad a resume to compare with anyone
                      If we're going on resume Wlad is going to come up well short in comparison to most of the other P4Pers. There's nobody worth a damn in his division.

                      As for Sturm: he should have lost against Macklin. But decisions like that happen in Germany. There's no reason for Sergio to go over there and risk the same thing happening to him.

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