Pac-Floyd is a totally different matchup from Pac-JMM

[BoxingGenius27]

Now, let's shift the focus on Floyd. Can Floyd counterpunch? Yes and very good at it but he doesn't counterpunch like JMM does. He's limited to just 1 or 2 punches when it comes to counterpunching which I think is not enough to deter Pac.

try reading between the lines if you can.

are you really that slow? jmm doesn't just throw more punches in his combos...he throws effective punches. there's a big difference there if you know what i mean.

You tell me to read between the lines, then when I do, you ask me if I'm slow? Which one is it pal?

[johnm is...]

it's floyd's defense that reduces his opponents output more than his counterpunching.

More? No way. I would say counter punching, and defense, equally. He makes you miss, then makes you pay for missing.

[brick wall]

You tell me to read between the lines, then when I do, you ask me if I'm slow? Which one is it pal?

try harder then, maybe you can get it the second time around.

[BoxingGenius27]

try harder then, maybe you can get it the second time around.

Geez, looks like I ran into a brick wall.

[Kagami Taiga]

More? No way. I would say counter punching, and defense, equally. He makes you miss, then makes you pay for missing.

this is what i dont get. when ppl wat floyd fight wat do they see?? do they let hatred blind them so much? floyds defense is his offense. he doesnt throw combos, not because he cant but because he doesnt have to. hes still hitting u 20x a round and ur probably hitting him like 5 or 6. do ppl really get it? why throw a combo when ur slapping someone up and they cant hit u???

[thatnickuh]

Difference is, Floyd is a 1 and done counterpuncher. JMM is a 2-3-4 punch combo counter puncher.

And that's 1 of the reasons that he's easier to hit than Mayweather. Marquez has to leave himself open moreso than Mayweather and take more chances because he's not as accurate or efficient with his offense. Don't know why that's so hard for some of you to comprehend. The belief that fighters actually like getting hit is something that I just don't understand.

[brick wall]

More? No way. I would say counter punching, and defense, equally. He makes you miss, then makes you pay for missing.

that's fine with me if you think that way. but still it's different with jmm...his counterpunching alone is enough to put the brakes on pac. floyd will have to combine defense and counterpunching to do that imo.

[Deevel916]

And that's 1 of the reasons that he's easier to hit than Mayweather. Marquez has to leave himself open moreso than Mayweather and take more chances because he's not as accurate or efficient with his offense. Don't know why that's so hard for some of you to comprehend. The belief that fighters actually like getting hit is something that I just don't understand.

Responding with 1 punch at a time is not going to cut it against a fighter like Pac. Like i've stated in several threads.....Pac will win rounds on workrate alone whether he's punching Floyd's arms, shoulders, elbows, etc. Floyd will have to turn it up in order to compete. He's not going to win rounds throwing 20 punches a round.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

that's fine with me if you think that way. but still it's different with jmm...his counterpunching alone is enough to put the brakes on pac. floyd will have to combine defense and counterpunching to do that imo.

pre, dont overlook/underestimate that lead jab to the body by Floyd...ive seen that single punch alone stall MANY opponents


the JMM fight, PAC fought a dumbass game plan...can't do that against Floyd...it would have to be a balls to the wall effort...more of the old PAC as far as aggression and fire

[Kagami Taiga]

that's fine with me if you think that way. but still it's different with jmm...his counterpunching alone is enough to put the brakes on pac. floyd will have to combine defense and counterpunching to do that imo.

lol, u seriously think manny wont get hit with floyd's lead right all nite just like he did against jmm?? that is the punch from jmm that had pac at a loss. it always has. nothing will change. fu saying hes gonna need both doesnt help your argument because just about everyone in the world considers him the best at both. well except for pac fans who look for hope.