Pac-Floyd is a totally different matchup from Pac-JMM

[brick wall]

Yes it's a totally different matchup so I don't understand why people like to base off Pac's chances against Floyd with the problems he faced against JMM.

Now don't get me wrong because I'm not saying that Pac has better chances against Floyd than against JMM. All I'm saying is JMM posed a different problem to pac than what Floyd can cause. And I have no problem if people will say Pac will have bigger problems against Floyd than against JMM but you can't base it off from what you saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

To be more clear with my point, let me breakdown the problem caused by JMM against Pac. It's very obvious that JMM's superior counterpunching skills always put the brakes on pac's offense and he's the only one who can do that. Why? Because JMM's counterpunching is different from anyone else. JMM has always fought Pac on a defensive stance but everytime Pac attacks him, he stands his ground and counters with a crisp and fast combination. Not only that, he also counterattacks. In other words, JMM is the kind of counterpuncher that goes from a defensive stance to all out offense if under attack and he's willing to take that risk against Pac which is a big plus. It's one big problem that pac never found an answer to.

Now, let's shift the focus on Floyd. Can Floyd counterpunch? Yes and very good at it but he doesn't counterpunch like JMM does. He's limited to just 1 or 2 punches when it comes to counterpunching which I think is not enough to deter Pac. He doesn't counter with a combination and doesn't stand his ground like JMM does. You can say he was during his 130 and 135 days but he has long been abandoned that style and I don't think he will ever bring it back. Compared to JMM, Floyd goes from a defensive stance to a more defensive stance under attack (shoulder roll, holding and all that stuff)...it's the opposite of what JMM does so no comparison really. And it's ridiculous for people to say that Floyd is a better counterpuncher than JMM because it's simply not.

But If there's one thing very good about Floyd is his excellent defense because it enhances everything that he does inside the ring. His defense and ringsmarts is the kind of problem that he will pose against Pac and that's not something we really saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Yes it's a totally different matchup so I don't understand why people like to base off Pac's chances against Floyd with the problems he faced against JMM.

Now don't get me wrong because I'm not saying that Pac has better chances against Floyd than against JMM. All I'm saying is JMM posed a different problem to pac than what Floyd can cause. And I have no problem if people will say Pac will have bigger problems against Floyd than against JMM but you can't base it off from what you saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

To be more clear with my point, let me breakdown the problem caused by JMM against Pac. It's very obvious that JMM's superior counterpunching skills always put the brakes on pac's offense and he's the only one who can do that. Why? Because JMM's counterpunching is different from anyone else. JMM has always fought Pac on a defensive stance but everytime Pac attacks him, he stands his ground and counters with a crisp and fast combination. Not only that, he also counterattacks. In other words, JMM is the kind of counterpuncher that goes from a defensive stance to all out offense if under attack and he's willing to take that risk against Pac which is a big plus. It's one big problem that pac never found an answer to.

Now, let's shift the focus on Floyd. Can Floyd counterpunch? Yes and very good at it but he doesn't counterpunch like JMM does. He's limited to just 1 or 2 punches when it comes to counterpunching which I think is not enough to deter Pac. He doesn't counter with a combination and doesn't stand his ground like JMM does. You can say he was during his 130 and 135 days but he has long been abandoned that style and I don't think he will ever bring it back. Compared to JMM, Floyd goes from a defensive stance to a more defensive stance under attack (shoulder roll, holding and all that stuff)...it's the opposite of what JMM does so no comparison really. And it's ridiculous for people to say that Floyd is a better counterpuncher than JMM because it's simply not.

But If there's one thing very good about Floyd is his excellent defense because it enhances everything that he does inside the ring. His defense and ringsmarts is the kind of problem that he will pose against Pac and that's not something we really saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

I think You missed the most important point, floyd's reach and balance. Manny could get close enough to JMM to land. It will be significantly harder for him to do so against floyd because of the 5 inch reach advantage.

You also underestimate floyds offense. He is simply more efficient then JMM. JMM has to throw more to land, floyd doesn't.

[#CaneloKhan]

Yes it's a totally different matchup so I don't understand why people like to base off Pac's chances against Floyd with the problems he faced against JMM.

Now don't get me wrong because I'm not saying that Pac has better chances against Floyd than against JMM. All I'm saying is JMM posed a different problem to pac than what Floyd can cause. And I have no problem if people will say Pac will have bigger problems against Floyd than against JMM but you can't base it off from what you saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

To be more clear with my point, let me breakdown the problem caused by JMM against Pac. It's very obvious that JMM's superior counterpunching skills always put the brakes on pac's offense and he's the only one who can do that. Why? Because JMM's counterpunching is different from anyone else. JMM has always fought Pac on a defensive stance but everytime Pac attacks him, he stands his ground and counters with a crisp and fast combination. Not only that, he also counterattacks. In other words, JMM is the kind of counterpuncher that goes from a defensive stance to all out offense if under attack and he's willing to take that risk against Pac which is a big plus. It's one big problem that pac never found an answer to.

Now, let's shift the focus on Floyd. Can Floyd counterpunch? Yes and very good at it but he doesn't counterpunch like JMM does. He's limited to just 1 or 2 punches when it comes to counterpunching which I think is not enough to deter Pac. He doesn't counter with a combination and doesn't stand his ground like JMM does. You can say he was during his 130 and 135 days but he has long been abandoned that style and I don't think he will ever bring it back. Compared to JMM, Floyd goes from a defensive stance to a more defensive stance under attack (shoulder roll, holding and all that stuff)...it's the opposite of what JMM does so no comparison really. And it's ridiculous for people to say that Floyd is a better counterpuncher than JMM because it's simply not.

But If there's one thing very good about Floyd is his excellent defense because it enhances everything that he does inside the ring. His defense and ringsmarts is the kind of problem that he will pose against Pac and that's not something we really saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

I see it about the same way, just more action cause mayweather will push it when pac is out of position

[FloydPacquiaoJr]

Pac annihilates Floyd to submission

[brick wall]

I think You missed the most important point, floyd's reach and balance. Manny could get close enough to JMM to land. It will be significantly harder for him to do so against floyd because of the 5 inch reach advantage.

You also underestimate floyds offense. He is simply more efficient then JMM. JMM has to throw more to land, floyd doesn't.

you're free to add any of your observation. i'm just pointing out that it's a totally different matchup so i don't see the connection that other people does...nough said.

[Chups]

It's almost exactly the same, Floyd being the best counterpuncher ever, way better than Marquez. Floyd will annihilate Pac period.

[studentofthegam]

you're free to add any of your observation. i'm just pointing out that it's a totally different matchup so i don't see the connection that other people does...nough said.

A true brick wall. You dont believe water is wet either huh?

[BoxingGenius27]

Yes it's a totally different matchup so I don't understand why people like to base off Pac's chances against Floyd with the problems he faced against JMM.

Now don't get me wrong because I'm not saying that Pac has better chances against Floyd than against JMM. All I'm saying is JMM posed a different problem to pac than what Floyd can cause. And I have no problem if people will say Pac will have bigger problems against Floyd than against JMM but you can't base it off from what you saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

To be more clear with my point, let me breakdown the problem caused by JMM against Pac. It's very obvious that JMM's superior counterpunching skills always put the brakes on pac's offense and he's the only one who can do that. Why? Because JMM's counterpunching is different from anyone else. JMM has always fought Pac on a defensive stance but everytime Pac attacks him, he stands his ground and counters with a crisp and fast combination. Not only that, he also counterattacks. In other words, JMM is the kind of counterpuncher that goes from a defensive stance to all out offense if under attack and he's willing to take that risk against Pac which is a big plus. It's one big problem that pac never found an answer to.

Now, let's shift the focus on Floyd. Can Floyd counterpunch? Yes and very good at it but he doesn't counterpunch like JMM does. He's limited to just 1 or 2 punches when it comes to counterpunching which I think is not enough to deter Pac. He doesn't counter with a combination and doesn't stand his ground like JMM does. You can say he was during his 130 and 135 days but he has long been abandoned that style and I don't think he will ever bring it back. Compared to JMM, Floyd goes from a defensive stance to a more defensive stance under attack (shoulder roll, holding and all that stuff)...it's the opposite of what JMM does so no comparison really. And it's ridiculous for people to say that Floyd is a better counterpuncher than JMM because it's simply not.

But If there's one thing very good about Floyd is his excellent defense because it enhances everything that he does inside the ring. His defense and ringsmarts is the kind of problem that he will pose against Pac and that's not something we really saw in a Pac-JMM fight.

Ok, so JMM might throw more punches than Floyd in his counter-punching.

But do you think Floyd is a better or worse matchup for Pac and why?

[thatnickuh]

you're free to add any of your observation. i'm just pointing out that it's a totally different matchup so i don't see the connection that other people does...nough said.

You don't see the connection because you're rooting for Pacquiao and you don't want to see the connection or draw the obvious conclusions. Yes, Mayweather will be a totally different matchup for Pacquiao than Marquez was. Mayweather is bigger(in every way), faster, stronger, younger, a better counterpuncher, a more accurate puncher overall, who's more technically sound with much better defense.

[Chups]

You don't see the connection because you're rooting for Pacquiao and you don't want to see the connection or draw the obvious conclusions. Yes, Mayweather will be a totally different matchup for Pacquiao than Marquez was. Mayweather is bigger, faster, stronger, younger, a better counterpuncher, a more accurate puncher overall, who's more technically sound with much better defense.

This. I expect Floyd to pound that midget.