Vitali Klitschko has lost fewer rds than ANY boxing champion in the history of boxing

[Kilrain]

No it isn't. You have 2 fighters that would give any champ from yesteryear problems. You can say that there's a huge drop-off in talent after that, but take the era of Tyson, Holmes, Louis and pre-Louis and you'd be hard pressed to find great fighters besides the champ.

Because of their size and athleticism, yes they would've given some of the greats problems. But ultimately their boxing skills (handspeed, footwork, quality of punch, defence) don't stack up. In my opinion. And I would say this era is certainly the worst of the last 80 years and,as I originally said, possibly a century. The 80s was a bad era but I think the talent was greater (Tyson, Holmes, Spinks, Tucker) than now. The 70s and 60s are talent-rich eras. The 90s was talent-rich (Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ruddock, Tyson, Moorer, Ibeabuchi), the 50s wasn't great apart from the top tier guys like Marciano, Walcott, Charles (Louis past it by then). The current era is terrible; you can't blame for the Klitschkos for that.

But I'll say one thing; you look at Wladimir vs Haye, ok? Haye, a blown-up cruiserweight on his bike all night long, throwing 20 punches a round, and Wladimir couldn't do anything with him. Could do nothing. Couldn't hurt him. Won 7 or 8, possibly 9 of the 12 rounds. But looked terrible, bemused, couldn't land his big shots, no imagination, no cutting off the ring, no defence. And this is the best HW of this era. I ask you: what would've happened if Lewis (best of 90s), Tyson (best of 80s), Ali (best of 70s), Liston (best of 60s except from Ali), Marciano (50s), Louis (40s) or Dempsey (30) fought Haye? Certainly they would have stomped his ass like Wlad should have. Period.

[JAB5239]

As I recall the fight, big klit won every single round prior to his injury. Make no mistake. Byrd was a good fighter, but he'd be no match for Vitali. It's not like a case can made for Byrd having Vitali's number at all. So I respectfully disagree.

Byrd was losing but he certainly didn't lose every round. Bare in mind that Byrd also took this fight on a weeks notice.

Still it's my opinion, that this incident is less bad than being KO'ed twice by clubfighters with much lesser stature than Byrd.

Coming in ****y and unprepared is totally Lewis' fault and he got what was coming to him. He did however avenge those defeats in dominating fashion proving beyond a doubt he was the superior fighter.

[BattlingNelson]

Coming in ****y and unprepared is totally Lewis' fault and he got what was coming to him. He did however avenge those defeats in dominating fashion proving beyond a doubt he was the superior fighter.

Underestimating an opponent happens for just about every champion. It happened to Ali, Holmes etc. but they prevailed anyway. Lummox ended up spreadeagled on the canvas.

[BattlingNelson]

Because of their size and athleticism, yes they would've given some of the greats problems. But ultimately their boxing skills (handspeed, footwork, quality of punch, defence) don't stack up. In my opinion. And I would say this era is certainly the worst of the last 80 years and,as I originally said, possibly a century. The 80s was a bad era but I think the talent was greater (Tyson, Holmes, Spinks, Tucker) than now. The 70s and 60s are talent-rich eras. The 90s was talent-rich (Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ruddock, Tyson, Moorer, Ibeabuchi), the 50s wasn't great apart from the top tier guys like Marciano, Walcott, Charles (Louis past it by then). The current era is terrible; you can't blame for the Klitschkos for that.

I think their footwork is pretty good actually. They are not easy to hit at all. Punching power is great for both so I don't understand you'd put that in your post at all.

The 80s had Tyson. Spinks was a nonfactor after Homes. Holmes was past it and Tucker a ******* addict.

I agree on the 90s and never said otherwise.

Marciano's era was pretty bad. Charles and Walcott had both seen much better days.

Remember please, that today has 2 great heavies. Not just one. We have seen worse.

But I'll say one thing; you look at Wladimir vs Haye, ok? Haye, a blown-up cruiserweight on his bike all night long, throwing 20 punches a round, and Wladimir couldn't do anything with him. Could do nothing. Couldn't hurt him. Won 7 or 8, possibly 9 of the 12 rounds. But looked terrible, bemused, couldn't land his big shots, no imagination, no cutting off the ring, no defence. And this is the best HW of this era. I ask you: what would've happened if Lewis (best of 90s), Tyson (best of 80s), Ali (best of 70s), Liston (best of 60s except from Ali), Marciano (50s), Louis (40s) or Dempsey (30) fought Haye? Certainly they would have stomped his ass like Wlad should have. Period.

It's possible that they'd have stomped his ass who knows. We could also see an Ali-Young like borefest. And who knows how Haye would have fought when facing an opponent much smaller than Wlad? Maybe he wouldn't be so negative.

[JAB5239]

Underestimating an opponent happens for just about every champion. It happened to Ali, Holmes etc. but they prevailed anyway. Lummox ended up spreadeagled on the canvas.

True, but instead of losing confidence he came back stronger to assert his domination. Im not giving him a pass for coming into the first fights lazy and unfocussed, but he deserves credit for making the rematches as quickly as possible and proving the first time around was just a fluke. Vitaly decided to rest on the laurels of his first fight even though he quit. Little brother may have beaten Byrd, but it's not the same thing. If it were he wouldn't be trying to get David Haye to fight him.

[GRANDSLAM]

5 cuts round one eye caused by punches of a 38 year old who took the fight on 2 weeks notice.

Lewis is the Klitschkos Daddy, he would've stopped Wlad in 2

[MASTERFUL]

He's also fought in by far the worst heavyweight era in a hundred years. So what?

says the ******ed racist bitter butthurt black supremacist.

I remember you said Peter would destroy Vitali and Wlad would get KTFO by Haye.



The HW division is better than it's ever been, especially in Europe.

Read this excellent post:

The ridiculously overrated American HW champs from the past weren't even real world champs, they were all frauds because they never competed against the superior Soviets/Eastern Europeans in the pros.

All of the best American heavyweights/great black hopes have been destroyed by the Klitschkos and other Eastern Europeans.

The same thing is happening in many other weight classes too.

Soviets/Eastern Europeans weren't allowed to turn pro until the 1990s because of the cold war/iron curtain.

Now Soviets/Eastern Europeans are allowed to turn pro and we're already taking over boxing and are dominating the higher weight classes.

We're also dominating the amatuers. Most of those great amatuers will become great pros.

This is just the beginning of the Eastern European domination.

Eastern European fighters are superior.

Vitali and Wladimir are the two most dominant fighters of all time. The numbers and stats don't lie.

Both Klitschkos would be dominant HW champs in any era.

Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.

[MASTERFUL]

It should've been a TD win for Vitali.

Official Scorecards

Tom Kaczmarek: 58-56 for Vitali
James Jen-Kin: 58-56 for Vitali
Pat Russell: 58-56 for Vitali

Sky Sports: 58-56 for Vitali
HBO: 58-56 for Vitali

Vitali would've destroyed Lewis in 2 rounds in a rematch.

[MASTERFUL]

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE FACTS

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis barely survived the 2nd round and almost got KO'd, he was badly hurt, holding on for dear life, wobbling everywhere and staggering around the ring like a drunk. Lewis was badly hurt several times in the fight and was getting outboxed, outworked, outmuscled and outlanded by Vitali.

punches landed

Vitali 156

Lewis 102


Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued.

After the fight, Vitali intimidated the shit out of Lewis and made him look like a bitch.

All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight.

Lewis promised Vitali a rematch.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight.

Lewis turned down 40 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali.

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement.



George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"

Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"

Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.

Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.

More FACTS

Vitali wasn't even in his prime yet.

Lewis was 37, not really that old for a HW.

Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback.

Lewis wasn't "over the hill" when he got his ass whooped by Vitali.

Lewis was coming off the KO win over Tyson. In the Lewis-Tyson post fight interview Lewis stated "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age"

In an interview right before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years"

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared him into retirement.

Lewis is a coward, a ducker, and a fraud.

Vitali Klitschko >>> Lennox Lewis

Wladimir Klitschko >>> Lennox Lewis

[BoxingGenius27]

says the ******ed racist bitter butthurt black supremacist.

I remember you said Peter would destroy Vitali and Wlad would get KTFO by Haye.



The HW division is better than it's ever been, especially in Europe.

Read this excellent post:

Wlad and Vitali are great champions that have dominated for the last 9-10 years, yes.

But let's not go overboard here. We're talking about a sport that's been around for over 100 years. Sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some. I don't think this has anything to do with ethnicity/race.

I mean if that's the case, Wlad and Vitali have both lost to A.A fighters. Does that take away from Wlad's or Vitali's accomplishments? I, personally, don't think so.