Question? If Floyd had problems with Zab Judah, why not Pac

[tennishero]

KFC never figured out castillo

castillo didnt perform in 2nd fight and it was still damn close

KFC fought better than DLH but cross dresser out worked him

pac is floyd's worst nightmare- he wants the media to beat manny for him

floyd is s-hit scared of losing-

[jrosales13]

He's not.

I'd pick Pac to beat him.

I would too. I don't know what's happening. Maybe it just cuz' of what Pac looked like against JMM. That people are just living in the moment. But, Judah being way more skilled than Pac and Kostya eating Pac for late night snack I just can't see it.

I understand people making the argument, but it's not clear cut.

[Souroush1]

There are a few huge factors that make the comparison between zab and pacquiao bad:

First: Zab is taller, with a 5 inch reach advantage over pacquiao,
(pacquiao has to constantly use his footwork just to stay in midrange)
Second: Zab and pacquiao style are very different, very different
Zab's jab is alot more effective against mayweather because he does not have to come inside just to land it,
Third: Zab judah had won 4 rounds against mayweather, then he got annihilated, it was a landslide, judah cheapshoted mayweather when mayweather got his number, he knew how bad he was getting beat

Zab won 4 round, with 1-2 rounds big rounds, Mayweather won 8 rounds with atleast 6 big rounds,
Lennox Lewis was commentating on the fight and he could not beleive some of the things mayweather was able to do in that fight:
Mayweather was throwing hooks off of his left after jabs, he wore zab down so much with body shots zab had no choice but to head hunt for a big uppercut, which allowed mayweather to eat him alive with straight rights,
floyd demolished judah in his prime period

Fourth: Judah's money shot is his left uppercut, which fundamentally works tremendously better than a left hook against floyds defense. Judah could got beneath mayweathers high guard with his uppercut, something pacquiao does not have in his arsonal.

Another thing that mayweather would also be able to do to pacquiao that he couldnt do to judah is a flat footed straight or jab to the stomach like he did against hatton and marquez, he will do this against pacquiao, it will be very effective

[thatnickuh]

The way Floyd solved the Judah problem was to walk forward and attack. If he tries that with Pacquiao he is getting KTFO.

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat, 7 days a week 365 a year. Why people think that Mayweather has a suspect chin or can't take a punch is beyond me. You just have to chalk nonsense like that up to disrespect and ignorance. Pacquiao is probably more active and awkward than Judah, but he doesn't hit harder and I don't know if he's necessarily faster.

[DLT]

Zab was up 3-1. He won the 1st, 2nd, & 4th round. After that he never ever came close to winning another round. Zab was not leading after 6 and he was not in it after 8 or 9 considering Floyd had won 4 straight rounds easily and the writing was on the wall.

Zab was a much slicker fighter than Pac. He's a totally different guy. Theyre both Southpaw but Zab is a boxer who didnt throw alot but used time shots. Pac doesnt fight like that. He wont fight like Zab and even if he did, Floyd would figure him out after 4 just like he did Zab

[Boxingtech718v2]

Judah is a better counter puncher than Pacman.
He is a better fighter off teh back foot than pacman.
He has better defense than Pacman.
He's better "technically" than Pacman, who gets extremely scrappy.
He can BOX better than Pacman.

Hell, a prime judah is faster than pac and just as powerful, probably more powerful than pac as well.

Are you ******? Judahs problem are his intangibles. He lacks heart and will. There's a point in every fight when Skill no longer pays the bills. All the skill in the world means nothing if you can't keep pushing once a little fatigue sets in - judah is that guy. He also seems to doubt himself when things don't go his way early and lets himself go once he begins getting hit. There's so much more to a fighter than just how gifted he is physically.

Pacman is probably the toughest guy inthe game mentally right now and an absolute work horse. He gets his body in the type of shape that no other fighter even gets close to right now. I'll argue Floyd doesn't even get near as close to pacmans peak condition. His style doesn't require him to work near as hard and so we will never know.

Pacs intangibles win him fights a lot of the times.

Since we are talking about the Mayweather gith. Judah was up 3-1 going into the the fifth. It was in that round that he got hit once and s tart 52 blocking. Doing ******ed stuff with his hands and just looking lost, the fight hadn't even completely turned tides yet. It was at teh end of the round when he yells in floyds face calling him a ***** - it even looks like he spits at him; the referee pulls him away.

A complete mental breakdown.

Great Post the only advantages I give pac are heart, chin, and maybe power.

These dudes have the "Manny disease" it's rampant.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Zab Judah set up feints; baited Mayweather with a weak jab, then quickly got his left hand through before Floyd could react. A prime Judah clearly has the faster hands too. What Judah did in the early rounds doesn't get credited much and I doubt Pacquiao is capable of that, at least he hasn't shown me that he is. Pacquiao throws in numbers leaving him open, what Judah did was counter in single shots, go on defensive mode by ducking under Mayweather's punches, then get enough room to do it again. Floyd eventually caught on...

It comes down to both of them being different fighters really.

[D4thincarnation]

There are a few huge factors that make the comparison between zab and pacquiao bad:

First: Zab is taller, with a 5 inch reach advantage over pacquiao,
(pacquiao has to constantly use his footwork just to stay in midrange)
Second: Zab and pacquiao style are very different, very different
Zab's jab is alot more effective against mayweather because he does not have to come inside just to land it,
Third: Zab judah had won 4 rounds against mayweather, then he got annihilated, it was a landslide, judah cheapshoted mayweather when mayweather got his number, he knew how bad he was getting beat

Zab won 4 round, with 1-2 rounds big rounds, Mayweather won 8 rounds with atleast 6 big rounds,
Lennox Lewis was commentating on the fight and he could not beleive some of the things mayweather was able to do in that fight:
Mayweather was throwing hooks off of his left after jabs, he wore zab down so much with body shots zab had no choice but to head hunt for a big uppercut, which allowed mayweather to eat him alive with straight rights,
floyd demolished judah in his prime period

Fourth: Judah's money shot is his left uppercut, which fundamentally works tremendously better than a left hook against floyds defense. Judah could got beneath mayweathers high guard with his uppercut, something pacquiao does not have in his arsonal.

Another thing that mayweather would also be able to do to pacquiao that he couldnt do to judah is a flat footed straight or jab to the stomach like he did against hatton and marquez, he will do this against pacquiao, it will be very effective

A Prime Judah?

A Judah coming of a loss to a journeyman.

[Boxingtech718v2]

He's not.

I'd pick Pac to beat him.

I'd pick prime Kos anyday!

[-Kev-]

Judah is not a workrate fighter. He does not throw over 1,000 punches to look good. Zab is a boxer puncher who likes to potshot and throws occasional combos. With his handspeed and southpaw stance, that bothered Floyd for like, 2 rounds. Judah is one of the few fighters who have actually matched Floyd in reach, both of them being 72". Pacquiao is 67".


Manny is a workrate fighter with horrible accuracy and short arms. He can't box with a boxer, and he can not fight against a counterpuncher. Marquez proved that already. When Manny can't throw 1,000 punches, he can't beat you. And Manny will not throw 1,000 punches to a counterpuncher as big and strong as Floyd.