Question? If Floyd had problems with Zab Judah, why not Pac

[SpeedKillz]

I don't know about that one. There's a lot of fighters that could eat Pac for a late night snack...But, I don't know if Kostya is one of those.

are you serious?? a prime kostya tszyu?! cmone dude you know better than that...

[D4thincarnation]

Floyd struggled with Zab Judah? So winning 8-4 and causing your opponent to low blow you purposely is "struggling"? Oh yeah, the flash knockdown which wasn't called by the ref.

How does one become so good that an opponent winning 4 rounds, 3 clearly, is struggling?

Yes struggled with the speed and the southpaw stance, could not time Judah to counter him.

So Floyd had to back Judah up and throw lead rights.

That will not work with Pacquiao, he tries that and he is getting KTFO.

[intoccabile]

It's not a fact. It's an opinion, lets not confuse facts and opinions.

I do agree that Pac is a better skilled fighter than Judah ever was. But, stylistically and mentally both are different.

How so? Pacs skillset isn't near as deep as judahs. That is what amounts to skill. You can argue his 2 best assets combined are better than judahs 10 (random numbers), but the fact remains, 10 is a bigger number than 2.

Does pacman a more effective fighter? sure.. his mentality and will is superior, but his arsenal is limited offensively and defensively in comparison to Judahs, making judah the more SKILLED of the two. Intangibles is what makes a fighter great, judah lacked those.

[jrosales13]

seriously where do these tools get the ballz to say these things?!

Either both of you guys are overrating what Judah is capable of doing or underrating what Pac is capable of doing or both.

I think it's the former though...I would never understand the respect Judah gets by the fan...I don't see it, I just can't understand it.

[intoccabile]

Yes struggled with the speed and the southpaw stance, could not time Judah to counter him.

So Floyd had to back Judah up and throw lead rights.

That will not work with Pacquiao, he tries that and he is getting KTFO.

Yeah cause pac will do what judah did... You're an idiot.

I repeat, Judah has fought slick styles SEVERAL times in his career, pac has not. It wouldn't be floyd who has to adjust, it would be pac.

[jrosales13]

are you serious?? a prime kostya tszyu?! cmone dude you know better than that...

Yes I'm serious, a prime Kostya...What makes him so much superior than Pac...

[Check_hooks]

Kosta got his ass beat by Hatton and we all know what Pac did to Hatton

[jrosales13]

How so? Pacs skillset isn't near as deep as judahs. That is what amounts to skill. You can argue his 2 best assets combined are better than judahs 10 (random numbers), but the fact remains, 10 is a bigger number than 2.

Does pacman a more effective fighter? sure.. his mentality and will is superior, but his arsenal is far less limited offensively and defensively than Judahs, making judah the more SKILLED of the two. Intangibles is what makes a fighter great, judah lacked those.

What are Judah "deep skills"?

[SpeedKillz]

Either both of you guys are overrating what Judah is capable of doing or underrating what Pac is capable of doing or both.

I think it's the former though...I would never understand the respect Judah gets by the fan...I don't see it, I just can't understand it.

seems to me like judah is getting under rated and pac is getting over rated in this thread. wow what a shocker. pacquiaos fans are destroying the mans legacy. hes a great fighter, hes not the best, but hes awesome to watch and seems like a nice guy. but these crazy delusional fans of his (not everyone) are makin him out to be a god which he is far from. hes just a good fighter, no where near the best

[intoccabile]

Kosta got his ass beat by Hatton and we all know what Pac did to Hatton

We won't even get into these ******ed triangle theories.

We won't even get into how pacman was already on a serious decline at that point anyway having gone life or death with Collazo, being knocked out by mayweather, and rocked by a LW in Lazcano. The Pacman fight was 5 years after Kostya.

We also wont' get into how fat hatton gets inbetween fights and how much wear and tear he went through in those 5 years of fights to make weight.