Question? If Floyd had problems with Zab Judah, why not Pac

[The Big Dunn]

Either both of you guys are overrating what Judah is capable of doing or underrating what Pac is capable of doing or both.

I think it's the former though...I would never understand the respect Judah gets by the fan...I don't see it, I just can't understand it.

I'm one of those people.

I always believed if Judah were a true professional he'd have beaten floyd and manny easy. Judah has all the tools except the space between his ears. If he dedicated himself to the sport early on and got better people around him rather than his Dad and the ridiculous chin checkers posse.

Signifcant Waste of talent and potential.

[jrosales13]

seems to me like judah is getting under rated and pac is getting over rated in this thread. wow what a shocker. pacquiaos fans are destroying the mans legacy. hes a great fighter, hes not the best, but hes awesome to watch and seems like a nice guy. but these crazy delusional fans of his (not everyone) are makin him out to be a god which he is far from. hes just a good fighter, no where near the best

I'm not saying he's the best...Not one time in this thread have I big up Pac. Unless you talking about skillset and matching him with someone like Judah. But, Judah being more skilled? How? Because, he's flashy?

[Oxn]

I never understood the hubbub about Kosta Tszyu.

He just looked so average to me, and i think the punch to Zab was a lucky punch.

[IronDanHamza]

I see were going around the everlasting circle of Zab Judah having an amazing skill set.

Newsflash guys; He doesn't. He's not very skilled, and he's certainly not slick.

Like I said, him are Pac are very similar in that regard.

I think for every argument there is skill wise for Zab being better than Pac, Pac has one too.

Obviously, that's solely skill wise because as an all round fighter Pac is obviously utterly superior to him.

[jrosales13]

I'm one of those people.

I always believed if Judah were a true professional he'd have beaten floyd and manny easy. Judah has all the tools except the space between his ears. If he dedicated himself to the sport early on and got better people around him rather than his Dad and the ridiculous chin checkers posse.

Signifcant Waste of talent and potential.

It was more than between the ears and intangibles. Judah would never beaten Floyd because skill level he can't hold Floyd Jr jockstrap. It's not about mentality and intangibles. Because, even if he match Floyd in those departments, skill level he wouldn't be able to.

[them_apples]

Floyd eventually figured out Zab, but many had Judah leading at the six round mark. So he was in the fight up until the 8th, 9th round on the scorecards before Floyd walked him down and took his heart out.

Judah was a southpaw with speed. If he could give Floyd some problems than why not Pac? Just curious. Pac hits harder than 2005 Judah and quicker

Some are making it seem like Floyd just dominates from the start. Im not saying he wouldn't win, just saying it won't be that easy/

Marquez is used to Pac's style because they had fought twice already. This would be Floyd's first time fighting Pac and he is a southpaw

I never make the comparison between Marquez and Mayweather. There are plenty of lesser fighters that have given Marquez huge problems. It's obvious Marquez just knows how to fight Manny. I'd never pick floyd by a landslide over Pac, especially considering he only pot shots and does a lot of rope sitting.

[SpeedKillz]

I'm one of those people.

I always believed if Judah were a true professional he'd have beaten floyd and manny easy. Judah has all the tools except the space between his ears. If he dedicated himself to the sport early on and got better people around him rather than his Dad and the ridiculous chin checkers posse.

Signifcant Waste of talent and potential.

^^what he said!

[intoccabile]

What are Judah "deep skills"?

Judah is a better counter puncher than Pacman.
He is a better fighter off teh back foot than pacman.
He has better defense than Pacman.
He's better "technically" than Pacman, who gets extremely scrappy.
He can BOX better than Pacman.

Hell, a prime judah is faster than pac and just as powerful, probably more powerful than pac as well.

Are you ******? Judahs problem are his intangibles. He lacks heart and will. There's a point in every fight when Skill no longer pays the bills. All the skill in the world means nothing if you can't keep pushing once a little fatigue sets in - judah is that guy. He also seems to doubt himself when things don't go his way early and lets himself go once he begins getting hit. There's so much more to a fighter than just how gifted he is physically.

Pacman is probably the toughest guy inthe game mentally right now and an absolute work horse. He gets his body in the type of shape that no other fighter even gets close to right now. I'll argue Floyd doesn't even get near as close to pacmans peak condition. His style doesn't require him to work near as hard and so we will never know.

Pacs intangibles win him fights a lot of the times.

Since we are talking about the Mayweather gith. Judah was up 3-1 going into the the fifth. It was in that round that he got hit once and s tart 52 blocking. Doing ******ed stuff with his hands and just looking lost, the fight hadn't even completely turned tides yet. It was at teh end of the round when he yells in floyds face calling him a ***** - it even looks like he spits at him; the referee pulls him away.

A complete mental breakdown.

[Money Mike]

Watch the fight again!! Zab was setting traps and counter punching. He also has a fast jab which it took Floyd a few rounds to adjust. Pac will be attacking running into right hands. He's not a boxer like Zab. Two different styles.

[7_rocket]

If you count the knockdown when Zab put floyd on his ass and the 12 round which Zab DOMINATED , than Zab wins that fight. Floyd got a gift decision and he knows it. He also got a gift decision against butt plug de la hoya

Gift decision aganist Judah?