If Margarito did use illegal wraps in the first fight,

[edgarg]

It was in the May issue of 1964


By leave it for a few minutes you mean
''After 35 minutes of toasting to reenact the 114 degree heat of Toledo that day'' ?
It did prove that Plaster of paris wouldn't hold up for more then 5 punches on the Heavybag and it would do more damage to the boxers hands then anything else, doesn't mean something else could be used.

I don't see the point of your post. The event happened and I have the magazine in my possession. But you've made me think. You must be right about the date of the issue and test because I think that Boxing Illustrated started only around the late 50's or early 60's. I may have confused the 1950 date, not at all impossible when going from memory of 50 years ago. I suppose you looked it up on the internet. I brought Nat Fleischer into it because I recalled reading maybe in RING that he had been present when the wraps were put on and he testified at some sort of hearing that they were fine. I can't remember who wrapped them. I think it was his trainer, not Kearns.

The facts however are correct, and by the way, you reminded me of another thing I'd forgotten. They did bake the wraps for about half an hour, and Williams did give I think 4 punches. But I do recall reading somewhere, (perhaps in RING or BOXING), that Williams said that he'd felt they crumbled after the first punch. He was, along with Sonny Liston the hardest puncher in the game at that time.

Thanks for the correction.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

We're talking about Bazooka's track record dating back to ESB.

We're talking about Bazooka's track record on boxingscene.

We're talking about Bazooka having the 2nd round of Kirkland vs Angulo go either way.

We're talking about Margarito, not Cotto.

what you fail to mention is Bazooka is Puerto Rican so this would make me an observer of the sport and NOT a fan boy

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Williams said that he'd felt they crumbled after the first punch. He was, along with Sonny Liston the hardest puncher in the game at that time.

Thanks for the correction.

if Williams did feel that in that sense he would not have made it a full 12 but then again how did he feel after waking up in fight 2 with Martinez a man who was stopped By Margarito and who knocked out Paul with a single shot?

Williams was not the hardest puncher in the game Mosley proved that when he knocked out Margarito

[NChristo]

I don't see the point of your post. The event happened and I have the magazine in my possession. But you've made me think. You must be right about the date of the issue and test because I think that Boxing Illustrated started only around the late 50's or early 60's. I may have confused the 1950 date, not at all impossible when going from memory of 50 years ago. I suppose you looked it up on the internet. I brought Nat Fleischer into it because I recalled reading maybe in RING that he had been present when the wraps were put on and he testified at some sort of hearing that they were fine. I can't remember who wrapped them. I think it was his trainer, not Kearns.

The facts however are correct, and by the way, you reminded me of another thing I'd forgotten. They did bake the wraps for about half an hour, and Williams did give I think 4 punches. But I do recall reading somewhere, (perhaps in RING or BOXING), that Williams said that he'd felt they crumbled after the first punch. He was, along with Sonny Liston the hardest puncher in the game at that time.

Thanks for the correction.

I don't see the point to most of your posts, just thought I'd correct you is all.

And no I didn't look on the internet I just know the article well because I've got the it and have had to bring it up myself multiple times, it was his Manager and Trainer, Hugh Benbow and Perry Payne, that carried out the experiment.

You're welcome.

[edgarg]

I'm about 2 seconds away from taking your ****** comments and throwing them in my signature.

Everything that I've said thus far, I can back up with a credible link. But since everyone knows the truth behind Margarito, there's no need too.

Why be abusive? I prefer relatively calm exchanges of opinion, even if they get a little heated sometimes. But there's a red line. Why don't you also add the links. The topic is very much in the fire at the moment because of fight #2. and would be interesting to trace from your links. But they have to be properly credible. Just keep in mind that if Margarito was really guilty of what you say, he's have been banned for life, likely all over the world,and gaoled, like Resto. Cepatillo was banned from TRAINING for life, but only in the USA, and was not jailed. Why...because there was no real case?? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he reapplies in the future and is re-instated by a less prejudiced Comission.

What do you mean by "throwing them in my signature"? Do you mean "highlighting them?? If so, I don't mind. If I post my comments they are there for others to read also. But please, don't take them out of context.

[BoxingGenius27]

he never had plaster.

to this day i still don't know wtf he had for THE MOSLEY FIGHT.

calcium deposits? old knuckle pads?

don't know. never saw anything definitive written about it.

all everyone says is plaster , which is BS.

WAR calcium deposits and knuckle pads

[edgarg]

if Williams did feel that in that sense he would not have made it a full 12 but then again how did he feel after waking up in fight 2 with Martinez a man who was stopped By Margarito and who knocked out Paul with a single shot?

Williams was not the hardest puncher in the game Mosley proved that when he knocked out Margarito

I think we're a little off the track here. I seem to have got myself into a difference of opinion with Boxing Genius over Margarito's wraps against Cotto and the later "pad discovery" against Mosley. This was a reference to Cleveland Williams and the
Plaster-of-Paris wraps test he took part in which disproved Doc Kearns' claim that he'd doctored Jack Dempseys bandages before the Willard title fight.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

WAR calcium deposits and knuckle pads

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I think we're a little off the track here. I seem to have got myself into a difference of opinion with Boxing Genius over Margarito's wraps against Cotto and the later "pad discovery" against Mosley. This was a reference to Cleveland Williams and the
Plaster-of-Paris wraps test he took part in which disproved Doc Kearns' claim that he'd doctored Jack Dempseys bandages before the Willard title fight.

That was my mistake I thought you were talking about Paul Williams who added his two cents of hate as well.

Cotto the pictures clearly clear that fight as did nevada, California didnt find plaster paris what they found was Calcium and Sulfar which is NOT in plaster paris

Plaster paris contains Calcium Sulfate (One word one compound) unlike what the other two elements they found.
However Calcium and sulfar is found in Glue adhesive, such as tape etc...
The same kind of tape that was removed from that gauze pad

[Left Hook Tua]

WAR calcium deposits and knuckle pads

seriously though.

what was it?

i don't know and no one has explained it.

everyone says plaster but it wasn't.