If Margarito did use illegal wraps in the first fight,

[BoxingGenius27]

Why be abusive? I prefer relatively calm exchanges of opinion, even if they get a little heated sometimes. But there's a red line. Why don't you also add the links. The topic is very much in the fire at the moment because of fight #2. and would be interesting to trace from your links. But they have to be properly credible. Just keep in mind that if Margarito was really guilty of what you say, he's have been banned for life, likely all over the world,and gaoled, like Resto. Cepatillo was banned from TRAINING for life, but only in the USA, and was not jailed. Why...because there was no real case?? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he reapplies in the future and is re-instated by a less prejudiced Comission.

What do you mean by "throwing them in my signature"? Do you mean "highlighting them?? If so, I don't mind. If I post my comments they are there for others to read also. But please, don't take them out of context.

If you've read and researched this topic as much as you say you have, then you would know the answer to your questions.

First off, Margarito wasn't banned for life because they didn't catch him AFTER the fight/assault would've taken place. That's the only reason. You couple that with the fact that Capetillo took FULL responsibility for the act and you have your answer as to why Margarito was only banned for a year and Capetillo for life.

Not to mention, he had to work damn hard to get his licence reinstated. The only reason Margarito was reinstated in the 1st place is because Scam Arum decided to take the Margarito act to Mexico. Arum vowed that if the US didn't reinstate Margarito's license, he would continue to fight in Mexico. This explains Margarito's first fight back.

Las Vegas wouldn't touch Margarito after the Mosley fight. This was right around the time, Arum and cowboys owner Jerry Jones formed a great relationship. Once Texas saw how much MONEY would be made with a Pac-Margarito fight, especially with the Latin following in Texas, their ethics went out the window and they allowed Margarito to fight.

The only reason the other commissions are giving in is because they see everyone else accepting Margarito and hey, why lose the money. My last statement is the only thing in my post that's subjective.

I remember everything else from memory because i followed it closely.

[edgarg]

I don't see the point to most of your posts, just thought I'd correct you is all.

And no I didn't look on the internet I just know the article well because I've got the it and have had to bring it up myself multiple times, it was his Manager and Trainer, Hugh Benbow and Perry Payne, that carried out the experiment.

You're welcome.

Don't mention it, I'll be patronising any time you want me to. But really, no kidding, that was furthest from my thoughts. I see nothing in my post which can be called patronising, you are too touchy. I remember Williams and his left hook very well, but not so much because of him, but was intrigued by the fact that Hugh Benbow was his manager and that he was a Mormon. I didn't quite fit boxing with Mormonism. From what I used to read, mainly in Illustrated, was that he was for Williams all the way.

So when I recently read comments by the Mrs. Williams, which really castigated Benbow for treating Williams so badly, who trusted him like a father, I was shocked at what I read, really shocked. have you read it? I hope you don't find this patronising. If I ever really mean to be, you'll know it.

[pinkivory]

you really are not the sharpest tool in the shed this video states it clears Tony from the Cotto fight which the pictures clearly do no crack as assumed by anti margarito fans.

it was a black marker, but I do question this "Block" that fell out, I also question why ****m was allowed to take the pad from Margaritos dressing room to their dressing room?

Thats like taking a murder weapon from a crime scene cleaning the blood off and putting it back

I thought yesterday Margs' fans said that it was a black thread. Which one is it, black thread or a black marker?

[x3_bazooka_x3]

The only reason the other commissions are giving in is because they see everyone else accepting Margarito and hey, why lose the money.

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You really believe that is the reason? get ****ing real the reason they have granted him a license is because they know this is bull****, if it were solid proof he would not even be considered at all.

I thought yesterday Margs' fans said that it was a black thread. Which one is it, black thread or a black marker?

When you apply a black sharpie to SURGICAL gauze it makes the small threads in those gauze black, hence the apperance of a black thread but its gauze that has been touched with a sharpie marker

we have it happen to us often, the commission when they inspect sometimes the other corner points to something, in this case its obviously the tape between Margaritos fingers and what you see there is the sharpie being applied to ensure no tape is on the knuckle

That means someone from Cottos corner was in there as well cus who is going to point out the tape in between the fingers to the commissioner?

[edgarg]

That was my mistake I thought you were talking about Paul Williams who added his two cents of hate as well.

Cotto the pictures clearly clear that fight as did nevada, California didnt find plaster paris what they found was Calcium and Sulfar which is NOT in plaster paris

Plaster paris contains Calcium Sulfate (One word one compound) unlike what the other two elements they found.
However Calcium and sulfar is found in Glue adhesive, such as tape etc...
The same kind of tape that was removed from that gauze pad

I just thought that "sulfar" was a mistaken spelling of "sulphur". otherwise I am completely in agreement with your opinions. They are not only logical but factual as well, whilst many others are not.

[BoxingGenius27]

You really believe that is the reason? get ****ing real the reason they have granted him a license is because they know this is bull****, if it were solid proof he would not even be considered at all.

Why take a the small subjective portion of my post that I already admitted to being opinionated and attack that?

That's what you've been doing all day and that's the problem with your crazy butt. You only see what you want to see.

Attack the objective portion of my post. If you have been following this case and have done research like you say you have, you will know that you can't because everything that I stated is factual as the events played out.

[BoxingGenius27]

Let's put it this way guys.

Who's going to get more time in prison.

Someone who plans to rob a store or someone who actually robs the store. Someone who plans to commit murder or someone who goes through with the homicide?

Answer the above questions and you'll answer why the Margarito and Resto cases don't compare.

Answer the above questions and you'll answer why Margarito only got suspended a year instead of life.

On one hand you have someone who was caught AFTER giving an armed assault (resto). On the other hand you have someone who was caught BEFORE he can give the assault (Margarito). That's the difference.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves making me put this in kiddy terms.

I mean I know I have one guy calling his community center some elite boxing club, but still he can't be that ignorant. Well, can he?

[pinkivory]

You really believe that is the reason? get ****ing real the reason they have granted him a license is because they know this is bull****, if it were solid proof he would not even be considered at all.



When you apply a black sharpie to SURGICAL gauze it makes the small threads in those gauze black, hence the apperance of a black thread but its gauze that has been touched with a sharpie marker

we have it happen to us often, the commission when they inspect sometimes the other corner points to something, in this case its obviously the tape between Margaritos fingers and what you see there is the sharpie being applied to ensure no tape is on the knuckle

That means someone from Cottos corner was in there as well cus who is going to point out the tape in between the fingers to the commissioner?

This is a post that one of Marg's fan wrote yesterday, clearly he is saying it is a threat from someones shirt

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If it's a crack right through the gauze, how come it's over top of the tape that they place between the knuckles (that I've outlined here). It's a thread from some ones shirt or the liner of the gloves. This image has been resized. Click this bar to view the full image. The original image is sized 1069x513 and weights 326KB.

That doesn't prove his wraps weren't loaded, but that isn't a crack/rip in the gauze.

and the un-outlined pic

[edgarg]

If you've read and researched this topic as much as you say you have, then you would know the answer to your questions.

First off, Margarito wasn't banned for life because they didn't catch him AFTER the fight/assault would've taken place. That's the only reason. You couple that with the fact that Capetillo took FULL responsibility for the act and you have your answer as to why Margarito was only banned for a year and Capetillo for life.

Not to mention, he had to work damn hard to get his licence reinstated. The only reason Margarito was reinstated in the 1st place is because Scam Arum decided to take the Margarito act to Mexico. Arum vowed that if the US didn't reinstate Margarito's license, he would continue to fight in Mexico. This explains Margarito's first fight back.

This was right around the time, Arum and cowboys owner Jerry Jones formed a great relationship. Once Texas saw how much MONEY would be made with a Pac-Margarito fight, especially with the Latin following in Texas, their ethics went out the window and they allowed Margarito to fight.

The only reason the other commissions are giving in is because they see everyone else accepting Margarito and hey, why lose the money. My last statement is the only thing in my post that's subjective.

I remember everything else from memory because i followed it closely.

Margarito didn't fight even in Mexico, for the whole year, and even longer, of the ban, when he was being offered well paid fights. He honoured the ban.

The Commission didn't give him the 1 year ban because they couldn't pin anything on him. They EXPRESSLY said, that they found that he knew nothing about the wraps, but the 1 year ban was because " he was the head of the team" and should have known. LOOK IT UP. I don't need to look it up. Go ahead. But look in the right places not the sensational scandal mongers. You seem to be a computer guy who can find anything, which I must say I'm not, so seldom resort to internet. I go on my memory which is excellent, although I occasionally slip up over a date or so. But never over reported facts I have read. i won't go into why.

This wonderful relationship that Arum and Jerry Jones developed was strictly because Arum needed an arena in a state where he was offered a licence, and this was a state-of-the-art structure, nearly as much of an attraction as the fight itself and Jones was looking for business. That sort of "relationship" always develops between big movers who hope to make money from each other. it's strictly business "schtik". So far, that wonderful relationship hasn't blossomed into "love" but the possibility is always there, if and when Arum needs a venue.

All the rest of your post seems to me to be speculation and personal feelings which, I must say, you allow to get the better of you. I also thought you were a good poster, and am more than surprised at the direction our difference of opinions have gone. Your posting my comments with your signature was obviously some sort of threat.

Let's quit it, shall we??

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Why take a the small subjective portion of my post that I already admitted to being opinionated and attack that?

That's what you've been doing all day and that's the problem with your crazy butt. You only see what you want to see.

Attack the objective portion of my post. If you have been following this case and have done research like you say you have, you will know that you can't because everything that I stated is factual as the events played out.

Your not being objective here if you really did follow the case, and researched what is actually in plaster paris their findings do not add up.
cus that isnt whats in plaster paris, Now in addition you have to answer this here if anything.
you saw how Manny had his hands wrapped going into his fight with Margarito and you saw Garcia bring a concern to the commission and was told to **** off.
Look what happend in round 4 with a single shot, there are other ways to wrap your hands with just gauze and tape that will do the same damage that fight Margaritos eye socket was broken.

Why risk being caught with plaster when you can stack your wraps, make thick rope to go in between the fingers that cause ridges that can cause a fighter to cut and swell much easier?

in fact you dont even see twisted rope in Margaritos picture from the cotto fight, so if he is going to cheat why not go all out? you saw the results Pac got.

I also question this why do people point to the swelling for cotto vs Marg when Cotto swelled up twice as much with Pac and nobody said **** about that?