If Margarito did use illegal wraps in the first fight,

[BoxingGenius27]

Ah...I just KNEW it would be "genius" who would jump on this. Are you not even intelligent enough, genius, to read the report properly?? Every single reputable report said "traces" of 2of the components of Plaster-of-Paris,,,,AND....that these components were VERY COMMON, and used extensively in MANY products. That they were a common component of COSMETICS. As the reporter said, "traces" means just that, and they were technically discovered (by the FBI) traces.

I emphasise certain words xo that you can spot them easily.

And have you never EVER read the report of the BOXING ILLUSTRATED experiment with Plaster-of-Paris wraps which they conducted in 1950.?? I've written about it several times. Let me repeat it, and you can look it up also on the internet if you wish...or can.

Jack "Doc" Kearns, was very haed up, and had written a book in which he confirmed the always swirling around theories about Jack Dempsey's wraps being LOADED. Surely if you are a devout boxing enthusiast, you'll have read about the railroad ****e found on the canvas after the Dempsey-Willard fight in which Dempsey broke Willard's orbital bone and knocked out a couple of teeth to a 3rd rd KO. Or the horseshoe found under the ring, or the cement wraps insside the gloves. Etc.etc. ad infinitum. Dempsey has ALWYS denied this indignantly.

Well all the boxing analysts, because of this book, and because it was a comparatively more analytical 1950 instead of a wild 1919, decided to once and for all, prove this or disprove it.
So they got a boxer and followed the exact details Kearns had in his book, which was that he dipped Dempseys bandaged hands into abucket of water, then sprinkled them heavily with plaster of Paris, which hardened in a few minutes and that was that.

They then alowed the wraps to harden..which they did, put the boxer's gloves on and he hit the bag 3-4 times, The wraps disintegrated into powder after the first punch, the boxer said. Incidentally he was the very famous Cleveland Williams, of whom you've likely never heard, but LOOK HIM UP.

They concluded unanimously that Kearns was a liar trying to scam some money because he was broke, and he had a very shady rep anyway, and that it was an impossibility to doctor wraps so as to damage anyone.

It's all in a 1950 Boxing Illustrated, which I certainly have somewhere. I was getting all the magazines then and I even remember reading it. I recently mistakenly thought it was a RING report, because Nat Fleisher was there at the test, but I was wrong.

Everything else I've said about Margarito above, is RIGHT. The EVIDENCE confirms it. So just re-examine your nonsense and stop making a fool of yourself.

Edgard, I didn't expect this non sense from you. Seriously, I thought you had more sense than this.

How about you take your mineral ice and Icey hot and rub Bazooka down in slow motion.

Normally, I would post actual links from ESPN or any other credible website to prove my point. I won't even do that here, because everyone knows the truth about Margarito.

Well, until I logged in boxingscene today, I thought everyone did. But oh well, it is a free country and if you want to be ignorant than go for it.

[LaMigra]

Lets be real alot of but hurt hater fan boys who didnt like the idea that Tony punked someone in public

Says the class act who thinks it's funny that Brandon IQ78 Rios makes fun of Roach's Parkinsons.

I guess all the beheadings have made you insensitive to what is right and what is wrong in this world.

I guess you also think hitting Manny Pacquaio with a bottle is good fun too huh?


I say build a wall already. Trash...

[LaMigra]

Lets be real alot of but hurt hater fan boys who didnt like the idea that Tony punked someone in public

But he had to use PLASTER wraps to do it.


Ask Margarito why he doesn't mention rematches with Shane or Manny? THAT is being punked right there. Cotto is ALL about revenge. When Margarito grows REAL balls and seeks to avenge his losses... let us know. Got his cranium crunched in and says NOTHING about doing it again. Warrior? Yeah OK.

[Emphasis]

I've always believed Margarito had the wrong style for Cotto. But Margarito's eye now brings a whole new situation.

[BoxingGenius27]

Ah...I just KNEW it would be "genius" who would jump on this. Are you not even intelligent enough, genius, to read the report properly?? Every single reputable report said "traces" of 2of the components of Plaster-of-Paris,,,,AND....that these components were VERY COMMON, and used extensively in MANY products. That they were a common component of COSMETICS. As the reporter said, "traces" means just that, and they were technically discovered (by the FBI) traces.

I emphasise certain words xo that you can spot them easily.

And have you never EVER read the report of the BOXING ILLUSTRATED experiment with Plaster-of-Paris wraps which they conducted in 1950.?? I've written about it several times. Let me repeat it, and you can look it up also on the internet if you wish...or can.

Jack "Doc" Kearns, was very haed up, and had written a book in which he confirmed the always swirling around theories about Jack Dempsey's wraps being LOADED. Surely if you are a devout boxing enthusiast, you'll have read about the railroad ****e found on the canvas after the Dempsey-Willard fight in which Dempsey broke Willard's orbital bone and knocked out a couple of teeth to a 3rd rd KO. Or the horseshoe found under the ring, or the cement wraps insside the gloves. Etc.etc. ad infinitum. Dempsey has ALWYS denied this indignantly.

Well all the boxing analysts, because of this book, and because it was a comparatively more analytical 1950 instead of a wild 1919, decided to once and for all, prove this or disprove it.
So they got a boxer and followed the exact details Kearns had in his book, which was that he dipped Dempseys bandaged hands into abucket of water, then sprinkled them heavily with plaster of Paris, which hardened in a few minutes and that was that.

They then alowed the wraps to harden..which they did, put the boxer's gloves on and he hit the bag 3-4 times, The wraps disintegrated into powder after the first punch, the boxer said. Incidentally he was the very famous Cleveland Williams, of whom you've likely never heard, but LOOK HIM UP.

They concluded unanimously that Kearns was a liar trying to scam some money because he was broke, and he had a very shady rep anyway, and that it was an impossibility to doctor wraps so as to damage anyone.

It's all in a 1950 Boxing Illustrated, which I certainly have somewhere. I was getting all the magazines then and I even remember reading it. I recently mistakenly thought it was a RING report, because Nat Fleisher was there at the test, but I was wrong.

Everything else I've said about Margarito above, is RIGHT. The EVIDENCE confirms it. So just re-examine your nonsense and stop making a fool of yourself.

Great! All boxers should be able to use plaster of paris now. It's completely harmless. Why does the boxing commission even ban this stuff if when fighters punch, it turns into powder.

I'll tell you what, let me hit you with plaster of paris and tell me how you feel when you wake up next week.

WAR Plaster of Paris

[edgarg]

No disrespect bazooka but I've noticed a trend. Obviously you're Mexican because you've done nothing but defend the Mexican fighter in the Ortiz/Mayweather fight, the Pacquiao/Marquez fight, and now the Margarito/Cotto fight. No matter how much evidence people can give you to refute your claims you keep sticking to your argument. Stop being biased for once.

Well, I respect your sincere approach to this, but I am not Mexican, nor a follower of either boxer, but just a long time boxing enthusiast. I've read all the reports, I mean the official reports, and they show that there was nothing in the pad which could cause anyone any damage, it was just a used pad. Nobody uses more talcum and other absorbent powders than boxers, and the 2 components are very commonly found in cosmetics of all kinds including powders. And they were only "traces" which certainly means the slightest detectable amount. These same 2 components are found in just about every kitchen in the world.

As you may may be aware, Top Rank filed a brief in court asserting that the pad contained "nothing harmful" any boxer. and the Could did not pick up on it. They knew there was literally NO proof. It was an honest mistake, which basically has ruined the lives of both Margarito and his trainer. The commission really stuck it's neck out and made a witch hunt out of it and needed to at least get someone, and took the guy who frankly admitted that it was he who used the already used pad.

There's been so much crap written about this rubbishy nothing that it would fill a large garbage container, which is where it all belongs.

[BoxingGenius27]

Well, I respect your sincere approach to this, but I am not Mexican, nor a follower of either boxer, but just a long time boxing enthusiast. I've read all the reports, I mean the official reports, and they show that there was nothing in the pad which could cause anyone any damage, it was just a used pad. Nobody uses more talcum and other absorbent powders than boxers, and the 2 components are very commonly found in cosmetics of all kinds including powders. And they were only "traces" which certainly means the slightest detectable amount. These same 2 components are found in just about every kitchen in the world.

As you may may be aware, Top Rank filed a brief in court asserting that the pad contained "nothing harmful" any boxer. and the Could did not pick up on it. They knew there was literally NO proof. It was an honest mistake, which basically has ruined the lives of both Margarito and his trainer. The commission really stuck it's neck out and made a witch hunt out of it and needed to at least get someone, and took the guy who frankly admitted that it was he who used the already used pad.

There's been so much crap written about this rubbishy nothing that it would fill a large garbage container, which is where it all belongs.

If it was harmless, than how was it a mistake when they grabbed the wrong pad?

If the pad had traces of whatever on it, then why was Capetillo apologizing saying he grabbed the wrong pad. There should be nothing to be sorry over especially when the pad you have is harmless.

Oh wait, this was a a part of Richardson's mind games when he called the pads "hard as a rock". I guess the commissioners in the room were paid off to agree with Richardson by saying something's not right...

You and this "traces" stuff. I guess it happens all the time that fighters have traces of plaster of paris. But according to you, since it's perfectly harmless, it should be legalized right?

[BoxingGenius27]

Lets be real alot of but hurt hater fan boys who didnt like the idea that Tony punked someone in public

Go back to ESB and get eatin up some more.

They called you an illogical, irrational, biased racist there and you've turned out to be the exact same thing here.

Who knows, maybe you'll find a boxing forum home one day.

[edgarg]

Edgard, I didn't expect this non sense from you. Seriously, I thought you had more sense than this.

How about you take your mineral ice and Icey hot and rub Bazooka down in slow motion.

Normally, I would post actual links from ESPN or any other credible website to prove my point. I won't even do that here, because everyone knows the truth about Margarito.

Well, until I logged in boxingscene today, I thought everyone did. But oh well, it is a free country and if you want to be ignorant than go for it.

I DO have more (meaning lots of) sense, and constantly use it...mostly to deaf ears. I am not interested in sensation producing commercial advertising stations, who are repeating other equally sensational reports, but in the OFFICIAL reports, which I read. At least, I read articles by credible journalists quoting the official reports, and giving the research of the official reports.

I can say no more. This whole travesty was nothing more than a lynching. And the mob was at least on a par with the mobs of those days. My feeling is that Margarito has always been an honourable guy, and this can be seen when he faithfully observed the 1 year ban, which, as you know, could only be enforced in the United States. But he also refrained from fighting in the rest of the world, including Mexico, where he could have made many millions, and was offered lucrative fights.

The Commissions doublecrossed him by refusing to return his licence after the 1 year.

[NChristo]

It's all in a 1950 Boxing Illustrated, which I certainly have somewhere. I was getting all the magazines then and I even remember reading it. I recently mistakenly thought it was a RING report, because Nat Fleisher was there at the test, but I was wrong.

Everything else I've said about Margarito above, is RIGHT. The EVIDENCE confirms it. So just re-examine your nonsense and stop making a fool of yourself.

It was in the May issue of 1964

So they got a boxer and followed the exact details Kearns had in his book, which was that he dipped Dempseys bandaged hands into abucket of water, then sprinkled them heavily with plaster of Paris, which hardened in a few minutes and that was that.

By leave it for a few minutes you mean
''After 35 minutes of toasting to reenact the 114 degree heat of Toledo that day'' ?
It did prove that Plaster of paris wouldn't hold up for more then 5 punches on the Heavybag and it would do more damage to the boxers hands then anything else, doesn't mean something else could be used.