If Margarito did use illegal wraps in the first fight,

[BoxingGenius27]

Boy What a boxing "genius".... Here is something I just found, amonst many others of similiar type, including a good New Youk Daily News report by Mitch Abrahamson. But this had more detail. So...if you're interested, seeing that Cotto-Margarito2 is just about here, read on;;


By Tommy Allan

January 24th 2009 may not mean much to anyone but to Antonio Margarito it is a date that will forever be etched in his mind. Margarito would square off against Sugar Shane Mosley making the first defense of his WBA welterweight title that he had won 6 months prior in a sensational come from behind performance against previously unbeaten Puerto Rican, Miguel Cotto.

Mosley would stop Margarito in 9 brutal rounds to claim the title but it was what happened in the dressing room, before the fight, that will haunt Margarito untill his dying day.

Mosley’s trainer Nazeem Richardson was present as Margarito was having his hands wrapped and as the right hand of Margarito was finished, everything seemed to be fine with Richardson, and the commissioners who were present.

With the right hand prepared and the left now underway, Richardson asked them to stop and requested to see the knuckle pad that was already inserted on the right hand. At this point, the Californian State Commissioner said “no, the wrap has already been completed”.

After some back and forth, Margarito would put up his right hand saying “look, I’ve got nothing to hide. Look at it, take it off”.

At this point the commissioner instructed the trainer to cut the wrap open and remove the pad.

Now, the way I look at this is nobody in their right mind would have instructed their trainer to remove the wrap if they had something to hide, especially after the commissioner had previously said that they did not have to do so.

If you had been cheating, you’d have kept your mouth shut, right?

After looking into the actual hearings of this case it just gets better. When the commissioners were instructed to give evidence at the hearing they all testified one by one that Margarito was extremely co-operative, offered no resistance and did not give off the slightest indication that something was wrong or he had been caught doing something wrong.

When the actual wraps were inspected they were found to have trace elements of two ingredients that can be found in plaster of paris. This sounded damning, I must admit. Looking further into it though and the word “trace” comes to mind. When there are traces of something, that means there is not a whole lot, I welcome you all to look up the word “trace”. Whatever was found in the knuckle pad was microscopic and after doing yet more digging I discovered that the two elements they found which were sulfur and calcium, can also be found in many everyday household items and both can also be found in common hand cream.

These wraps were handled by 14 different people before they had been examined – In a court of law this case would have been dismissed and laughed out of court.

Another thing about how damaging the wraps were – Top Rank filed a brief stating the wraps were harmless and the CSAC did not at any point dispute this fact.

Antonio Margarito is quite clearly innocent of any wrong doing. People will always point to the Cotto fight and say “look at Cotto’s face”, but if you look at the end of the fight, you’ll see Antonio has his gloves removed in the ring and goes on to shake hands with a number of people including trainers, reporters, commissioners and even Cotto himself. Would someone with plaster wraps expose them and go on to shake hands with a number of people who could catch them out?

Antonio Margarito has always been a proud warrior in the ring, to me cheating would go against everything he stands for and embodies

WTH is this???

Now Margarito's wraps had a substance with that of hand cream?

Man, this is getting better by the moment.

You provide me an article saying something along the lines of Margarito's hands wraps basically had Mineral Ice on them..

This is getting better by the minute. I'm waiting on Bazooka to say his hand wraps were dipped in Icey Hot next. Damn, if that's the case, boxers need to start using Calcium and Sulfur for all their fights.

According to Edgar and Bazooka, it's perfectly legal and there's nothing wrong with it.

WAR ICEY HOT

[Johnwoo8686]

you really are not the sharpest tool in the shed this video states it clears Tony from the Cotto fight which the pictures clearly do no crack as assumed by anti margarito fans.

it was a black marker, but I do question this "Block" that fell out, I also question why ****m was allowed to take the pad from Margaritos dressing room to their dressing room?

Thats like taking a murder weapon from a crime scene cleaning the blood off and putting it back

No disrespect bazooka but I've noticed a trend. Obviously you're Mexican because you've done nothing but defend the Mexican fighter in the Ortiz/Mayweather fight, the Pacquiao/Marquez fight, and now the Margarito/Cotto fight. No matter how much evidence people can give you to refute your claims you keep sticking to your argument. Stop being biased for once.

[edgarg]

And he's one of the "sharper" ones that intelligent posters have to deal with on a daily basis. We could answer him a thousand times and he won't hear it, because what is politely called his "mind" can only absorb one piece of mischief and retain it, and blocking anything intelligent or logical from entering.....permanently. It goes without saying, that the "truth" is never considered.

All these creeps have flooded here after probably been banned from every low level site. They are easy to weed out....Isn't that word "weed" very apt???

[PRking718]

Dude seriously it sickens me to see how many Ricans are that bitter and ***** like over this loss, if there was really plaster paris the DA stated they would seek a criminal case.

after the results came back the findings were so little the DA backed off the case.
Cotto got beat fair and square Nevada cleared Margarito and this new footage that HBO has had for three years cleared the smoke.... you can not deny the pictures there, the one that HBO allowed to surface and make headlines was obviously a poor blurred image of the wrap when you look at the new ones you see what that "Crack" really is, and its not a crack

What happend in the Mosley fight was nothing more than a case of a trainer using old dried out gauze, which is why they were firm... there was no plaster paris found they found elements of Calcium and Sulfar.

Plaster paris contains Calcium Sulfate *One word* not two elements in which they found

Dude, seriously your RACISM SICKENS ME. Plenty of Blacks, Mexicans and Whites that I know all feel the same. I happen to be Boricua and also a logical thinker, so what? If Margarito was in Cotto's shoes, I'd be on his side.

With all of this all you got to say is the DA did not pursue a case? So why hasn't Capetillo been reinstated as a trainer? The DA chose not to take this case because Margarito layed the blame on Capetillio and they see him as already being punished by having been suspended for a year. So his trainer had "intent" to cheat, but did not get to, and the fighter himself says he had no knowledge of it. Had they found that stuff after the fight it would have been different; they would have taken Margs to court as a criminal. Having said all this I still think this is boxing and Cotto could lose, but not the way he did in that first fight. Ever since then I've learned this mans punching power is a joke and honestly so are you, see you here on the 3rd hater. Have fun thinking of excuses for Cotto's win (hint: orbital bone).

[x3_bazooka_x3]

No disrespect bazooka but I've noticed a trend. Obviously you're Mexican because you've done nothing but defend the Mexican fighter in the Ortiz/Mayweather fight, the Pacquiao/Marquez fight, and now the Margarito/Cotto fight. No matter how much evidence people can give you to refute your claims you keep sticking to your argument. Stop being biased for once.

So that makes me mexican? then whats this say about me supporting Kirkland? why does it have to always be about race when it comes to a specific group of people on the web?

its always about race with *****s and *******s why is that? Perhaps its because its you who are the ones who have that issue... Not me.

I would like to know just how many of you have actually trained step up to the plate if you want to debate this **** and do so with any type of logic your going to have to know how things work before you speak on them.

its a fact that if you had worked out having your hands wrapped in gauze, after three hours in the gym put the gauze pad aside over night it will harden the same way a kitchen sponge would after you got it wet and let it dry and thats exactly what the case is here with Margarito, ****m was playing mind games...

And what I mean in that is if you hadnt noticed, Margarito had to re wrap his hands three times, the 1st time they found the "Block" that has since vanished, but why the 2nd and third time? ****m was doing his thing and it got out of hand way out of hand

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Dude, seriously your RACISM SICKENS ME. Plenty of Blacks, Mexicans and Whites that I know all feel the same. I happen to be Boricua and also a logical thinker, so what? If Margarito was in Cotto's shoes, I'd be on his side.

With all of this all you got to say is the DA did not pursue a case? So why hasn't Capetillo been reinstated as a trainer? The DA chose not to take this case because Margarito layed the blame on Capetillio and they see him as already being punished by having been suspended for a year. So his trainer had "intent" to cheat, but did not get to, and the fighter himself says he had no knowledge of it. Had they found that stuff after the fight it would have been different; they would have taken Margs to court as a criminal. Having said all this I still think this is boxing and Cotto could lose, but not the way he did in that first fight. Ever since then I've learned this mans punching power is a joke and honestly so are you, see you here on the 3rd hater. Have fun thinking of excuses for Cotto's win (hint: orbital bone).

Okay one at a time here, Capetillo has not been banned from the sport his license has been revoked he can re apply but likely it will be reviewed and he will not be granted, but no where have we read he is or was banned for life.

Now on to Margarito shifting the blame, the DA would still have a case if there was one to pursue even if they went solely after the trainer.

and it was not punching power that beat Cotto it was 11 rounds of abuse Margarito doesnt have one shot power he breaks you down and stops you.

The problem is, Ricans have since acted like *****es and was happy to hear about his, it gave them something to believe in, something to hold on to in order to say no Margarito didnt beat Miguel he cheated....

look at Cottos face from that fight ~ you all say that

I say~

Look at Cottos face from the Pacquiao fight its twice as bad, meaning Pac had cement to right?

[BoxingGenius27]

So that makes me mexican? then whats this say about me supporting Kirkland? why does it have to always be about race when it comes to a specific group of people on the web?

its always about race with *****s and *******s why is that? Perhaps its because its you who are the ones who have that issue... Not me.

I would like to know just how many of you have actually trained step up to the plate if you want to debate this **** and do so with any type of logic your going to have to know how things work before you speak on them.

its a fact that if you had worked out having your hands wrapped in gauze, after three hours in the gym put the gauze pad aside over night it will harden the same way a kitchen sponge would after you got it wet and let it dry and thats exactly what the case is here with Margarito, ****m was playing mind games...

And what I mean in that is if you hadnt noticed, Margarito had to re wrap his hands three times, the 1st time they found the "Block" that has since vanished, but why the 2nd and third time? ****m was doing his thing and it got out of hand way out of hand

Ok, so now all of a sudden, it's all about race with you.

Let me ask you something. How many times were you called racist on ESB?

The same treatment you're getting here, is the same treatment you got on ESB. You're known for being biased, illogical, and irrational. Just look at your track record.

But, oh wait, let me guess. Boxingscene and ESB are all in conspiracy with the Margarito conspirators against you and Tony, right?

[edgarg]

WTH is this???

Now Margarito's wraps had a substance with that of hand cream?

Man, this is getting better by the moment.

You provide me an article saying something along the lines of Margarito's hands wraps basically had Mineral Ice on them..

This is getting better by the minute. I'm waiting on Bazooka to say his hand wraps were dipped in Icey Hot next. Damn, if that's the case, boxers need to start using Calcium and Sulfur for all their fights.

According to Edgar and Bazooka, it's perfectly legal and there's nothing wrong with it.

WAR ICEY HOT

Ah...I just KNEW it would be "genius" who would jump on this. Are you not even intelligent enough, genius, to read the report properly?? Every single reputable report said "traces" of 2of the components of Plaster-of-Paris,,,,AND....that these components were VERY COMMON, and used extensively in MANY products. That they were a common component of COSMETICS. As the reporter said, "traces" means just that, and they were technically discovered (by the FBI) traces.

I emphasise certain words xo that you can spot them easily.

And have you never EVER read the report of the BOXING ILLUSTRATED experiment with Plaster-of-Paris wraps which they conducted in 1950.?? I've written about it several times. Let me repeat it, and you can look it up also on the internet if you wish...or can.

Jack "Doc" Kearns, was very haed up, and had written a book in which he confirmed the always swirling around theories about Jack Dempsey's wraps being LOADED. Surely if you are a devout boxing enthusiast, you'll have read about the railroad ****e found on the canvas after the Dempsey-Willard fight in which Dempsey broke Willard's orbital bone and knocked out a couple of teeth to a 3rd rd KO. Or the horseshoe found under the ring, or the cement wraps insside the gloves. Etc.etc. ad infinitum. Dempsey has ALWYS denied this indignantly.

Well all the boxing analysts, because of this book, and because it was a comparatively more analytical 1950 instead of a wild 1919, decided to once and for all, prove this or disprove it.
So they got a boxer and followed the exact details Kearns had in his book, which was that he dipped Dempseys bandaged hands into abucket of water, then sprinkled them heavily with plaster of Paris, which hardened in a few minutes and that was that.

They then alowed the wraps to harden..which they did, put the boxer's gloves on and he hit the bag 3-4 times, The wraps disintegrated into powder after the first punch, the boxer said. Incidentally he was the very famous Cleveland Williams, of whom you've likely never heard, but LOOK HIM UP.

They concluded unanimously that Kearns was a liar trying to scam some money because he was broke, and he had a very shady rep anyway, and that it was an impossibility to doctor wraps so as to damage anyone.

It's all in a 1950 Boxing Illustrated, which I certainly have somewhere. I was getting all the magazines then and I even remember reading it. I recently mistakenly thought it was a RING report, because Nat Fleisher was there at the test, but I was wrong.

Everything else I've said about Margarito above, is RIGHT. The EVIDENCE confirms it. So just re-examine your nonsense and stop making a fool of yourself.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

let me guess. Boxingscene and ESB are all in conspiracy with the Margarito conspirators against you and Tony, right?

Lets be real alot of but hurt hater fan boys who didnt like the idea that Tony punked someone in public

[LaMigra]

Bottomline: margarito was SUSPENDED FOR A YEAR for a REASON.


It was not because he loved to fight with a piece of thread on his wraps.


Stop the nationalistic bias and think logically.


He cheated and has cheated before.