If Margarito did use illegal wraps in the first fight,

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  • x3_bazooka_x3
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    #41
    Originally posted by PRking718
    You bring this crap article from a biased writer from a crap newspaper and expect us to believe Capetillo was banned for life for microscopic evidence? The audacity of some of you idiots. Like the video above - Cotto looked like worst **** after Margs lets be REAL, AND margs did it first, softening up Cotto's tissue in the first place. Just like Pac did it first to Margs' eye which opponents can now target. It is not just coincidence - this would have to be a huge conspiracy for that just to ruin Margo's career. Mosley was about to get cheated and beat down just like Cotto. BE REAL with yourselves, stop supporting cheaters and just realize Cotto is a good guy, undeserving of the hate.
    Dude seriously it sickens me to see how many Ricans are that bitter and ***** like over this loss, if there was really plaster paris the DA stated they would seek a criminal case.

    after the results came back the findings were so little the DA backed off the case.
    Cotto got beat fair and square Nevada cleared Margarito and this new footage that HBO has had for three years cleared the smoke.... you can not deny the pictures there, the one that HBO allowed to surface and make headlines was obviously a poor blurred image of the wrap when you look at the new ones you see what that "Crack" really is, and its not a crack

    What happend in the Mosley fight was nothing more than a case of a trainer using old dried out gauze, which is why they were firm... there was no plaster paris found they found elements of Calcium and Sulfar.

    Plaster paris contains Calcium Sulfate *One word* not two elements in which they found

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    • LaMigra
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      #42
      Originally posted by edgarg
      Boy What a boxing "genius".... Here is something I just found, amonst many others of similiar type, including a good New Youk Daily News report by Mitch Abrahamson. But this had more detail. So...if you're interested, seeing that Cotto-Margarito2 is just about here, read on;;


      By Tommy Allan

      January 24th 2009 may not mean much to anyone but to Antonio Margarito it is a date that will forever be etched in his mind. Margarito would square off against Sugar Shane Mosley making the first defense of his WBA welterweight title that he had won 6 months prior in a sensational come from behind performance against previously unbeaten Puerto Rican, Miguel Cotto.

      Mosley would stop Margarito in 9 brutal rounds to claim the title but it was what happened in the dressing room, before the fight, that will haunt Margarito untill his dying day.

      Mosley’s trainer Nazeem Richardson was present as Margarito was having his hands wrapped and as the right hand of Margarito was finished, everything seemed to be fine with Richardson, and the commissioners who were present.

      With the right hand prepared and the left now underway, Richardson asked them to stop and requested to see the knuckle pad that was already inserted on the right hand. At this point, the Californian State Commissioner said “no, the wrap has already been completed”.

      After some back and forth, Margarito would put up his right hand saying “look, I’ve got nothing to hide. Look at it, take it off”.

      At this point the commissioner instructed the trainer to cut the wrap open and remove the pad.

      Now, the way I look at this is nobody in their right mind would have instructed their trainer to remove the wrap if they had something to hide, especially after the commissioner had previously said that they did not have to do so.

      If you had been cheating, you’d have kept your mouth shut, right?

      After looking into the actual hearings of this case it just gets better. When the commissioners were instructed to give evidence at the hearing they all testified one by one that Margarito was extremely co-operative, offered no resistance and did not give off the slightest indication that something was wrong or he had been caught doing something wrong.

      When the actual wraps were inspected they were found to have trace elements of two ingredients that can be found in plaster of paris. This sounded damning, I must admit. Looking further into it though and the word “trace” comes to mind. When there are traces of something, that means there is not a whole lot, I welcome you all to look up the word “trace”. Whatever was found in the knuckle pad was microscopic and after doing yet more digging I discovered that the two elements they found which were sulfur and calcium, can also be found in many everyday household items and both can also be found in common hand cream.

      These wraps were handled by 14 different people before they had been examined – In a court of law this case would have been dismissed and laughed out of court.

      Another thing about how damaging the wraps were – Top Rank filed a brief stating the wraps were harmless and the CSAC did not at any point dispute this fact.

      Antonio Margarito is quite clearly innocent of any wrong doing. People will always point to the Cotto fight and say “look at Cotto’s face”, but if you look at the end of the fight, you’ll see Antonio has his gloves removed in the ring and goes on to shake hands with a number of people including trainers, reporters, commissioners and even Cotto himself. Would someone with plaster wraps expose them and go on to shake hands with a number of people who could catch them out?

      Antonio Margarito has always been a proud warrior in the ring, to me cheating would go against everything he stands for and embodies
      So.... You expected Tony to keep his gloves on during the interviews etc??? In what universe has a fighter went home with his gloves on after a fight???

      Look man... THAT was the ONLY way to do it. ANYTHING else would have been SUSPECT. He had to do it in a way wear NOBODY suspected any foul play. ALSO.... The difference to the casual observer in hardened wraps and tightly packed wraps is not as extreme as you think. If you are not thinking PLASTER you will probably NOT even notice... but... get punched in the face and it's a different story. Wraps in general are not pillow soft...

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      • BoxingGenius27
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        #43
        Originally posted by x3_bazooka_x3
        All I see is a video, with a few pictures and a bunch of texts written by you. Who are you, Dr. Bazooka now. Listen, if you're going to make a video claiming to have proof, at least post credible websites/articles in your video.

        Capetillo is already banned for life. Margarito was already suspended for over a year. Dr. Bazooka, shouldn't you be objectively showing us this conspiracy theory you're talking about?

        Forget the countless ESPN articles that say Margarito was found with a plaster like substance. Forget the labs that clarified the plaster like substance which got capetillo banned for life and Margarito suspended.

        Let's forget that and let's listen to Dr. Bazooka's text and picture of the gauze and call it a day.

        Whooooooo weeeeeeee, you're on to something now doc!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          #44
          Originally posted by LaMigra
          So.... You expected Tony to keep his gloves on during the interviews etc??? In what universe has a fighter went home with his gloves on after a fight???
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          Resto after he cheated with Collins..... went all the way back to the dressing room with them on....


          Now you all point to Cottos swelling, so whats this say about manny pacquiao who had him swelling twice as bad?

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          • LaMigra
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            #45
            Originally posted by BoxingGenius27
            All I see is a video, with a few pictures and a bunch of texts written by you. Who are you, Dr. Bazooka now. Listen, if you're going to make a video claiming to have proof, at least post credible websites/articles in your video.

            Capetillo is already banned for life. Margarito was already suspended for over a year. Dr. Bazooka, shouldn't you be objectively showing us this conspiracy theory you're talking about?

            Forget the countless ESPN articles that say Margarito was found with a plaster like substance. Forget the labs that clarified the plaster like substance which got capetillo banned for life and Margarito suspended.

            Let's forget that and let's listen to Dr. Bazooka's text and picture of the gauze and call it a day.

            Whooooooo weeeeeeee, you're on to something now doc!!!!!!!!!!!!
            These fanboys are clinging on by a "thread." The FACT that it is a thread... DOES NOT mean the wraps themselves are NOT LOADED. I don't get how the thread cancels out illegal wraps???

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            • PRking718
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              #46
              Originally posted by x3_bazooka_x3
              if the man had something to hide you are right he would not offer them to remove the wrap when the commission told ****m it was already done..

              Mosley has a history of not telling the whole truth, when it was requested by NSAC for him to submit a 2nd sample to the commission he refused to after the DLH rematch and went on to tell the boxing community and his fans that he did not take any illegal substance....

              Then when it became obvious he said he didnt know... how the **** do you not know your taking steroids? you dont jump on a plane with your father to the bay area and pay out the nose for ****ing vitamins...

              And ****m has a history of playing mental warfare with hand wraps go back to Trinidad vs Hopkins in which after his mind games he made the majority assume Tito was always using loaded wraps
              Mosley got **** to do with Margarito trying to cheat against him. This aint a conspiracy kid, give it up, its common ***ing sense. ****m said Tito wrapped his hands illegally, which was true in like 3 states in this entire country, NY being one of them. So they rewrapped, ok done. This guy actually has hard proof and got a trainer banned for life, his fighter suspended everywhere. ****m has no track record of this type of thing. You trying to pull anything out of anywhere and use it when all the arrows point towards a cheat - Margacheato himself never even denied having plaster, only that he had no knowledge of it, which is why his trainer is banned for life and he can fight til this day. Seriously, the guy is a criminal and a dirty scumbag. You admire he has heart or something? Be real, that is hardly admirable coming from a person with such bad human qualities. Cotto is the polar opposite, WITH heart. Nobody on BS has ever put themselves in a ring with as many dangerous men like he has.

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              • LaMigra
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                #47
                Originally posted by x3_bazooka_x3
                Resto after he cheated with Collins..... went all the way back to the dressing room with them on....


                Now you all point to Cottos swelling, so whats this say about manny pacquiao who had him swelling twice as bad?
                RIGHT... But it was discovered IN THE RING with Resto on TV too! And team Margo KNOWS better than to leave the gloves on during interviews etc. THAT shet is instant suspect.

                AGAIN: PLEASE explain why Margarito was suspended for a year????


                Denial.

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                • edgarg
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                  #48
                  Let's be fair.

                  And, Let's be fair. After all the fuss and bother about really nothing, the Commission found that Margarito did NOT know about the used pad, which, after all was only a USED PAD, but, because he was "head of the team" was penalised for this. For not knowing..........

                  And because there was nothing harmful in or on the pad, the strong liklihood also is that the trainer, who was banned for life, ws also unfairly penalised. He'd made an honest mistake, which would have had no harmful consequenses anyway. Richardson, who hasn't the health to be able to train his fighters properly, and was never known as a top trainer anyway, was a publicity hound.

                  Like the fuss he kicked up over the equally harmless Trinidad wrappings. He didn't need to upset Trinidad for that fight as Trinidad had already ruined his chances by doing his duty and staying in New Your after 9/11 to help clearing rubble and rescuing trapped victims for the whole 2 weeks before that fight. Hopkins went back home and continued his training.

                  Maybe instead of teaching Hopkins, Richardson learned "mind-games" from Hopkins. He could do these things for vital fights, if the opportunity is there, to upset the opponent.

                  All the lunatic conspiracy fantasists must be getting sick all over themselves, (I hope) but the truth will always eventually become strongest.

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                  • x3_bazooka_x3
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by BoxingGenius27
                    All I see is a video, with a few pictures and a bunch of texts written by you. Who are you, Dr. Bazooka now. Listen, if you're going to make a video claiming to have proof, at least post credible websites/articles in your video.

                    Capetillo is already banned for life. Margarito was already suspended for over a year. Dr. Bazooka, shouldn't you be objectively showing us this conspiracy theory you're talking about?

                    Forget the countless ESPN articles that say Margarito was found with a plaster like substance. Forget the labs that clarified the plaster like substance which got capetillo banned for life and Margarito suspended.

                    Let's forget that and let's listen to Dr. Bazooka's text and picture of the gauze and call it a day.

                    Whooooooo weeeeeeee, you're on to something now doc!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    you really are not the sharpest tool in the shed this video states it clears Tony from the Cotto fight which the pictures clearly do no crack as assumed by anti margarito fans.

                    it was a black marker, but I do question this "Block" that fell out, I also question why ****m was allowed to take the pad from Margaritos dressing room to their dressing room?

                    Thats like taking a murder weapon from a crime scene cleaning the blood off and putting it back

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by LaMigra
                      RIGHT... But it was discovered IN THE RING with Resto on TV too! And team Margo KNOWS better than to leave the gloves on during interviews etc. THAT shet is instant suspect.

                      AGAIN: PLEASE explain why Margarito was suspended for a year????


                      Denial.
                      The Commission said that " because he was head of the team" and, although absolved of ALL knowledge, should have known. Haven't you read this a hundred times already somewhere or other??

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