If Margarito did use illegal wraps in the first fight,

[pinkivory]

Thats what he is saying but that doesnt mean its the truth, listen if more of you so called experts actually got your sorry asses to the gym and trained for a bit and actually used surgical gauze to work out you would know what that is I can tell you just by looking, the picture that has been around for three years was what ****ed me up cus from that angle I couldnt tell you what it was, But HBO releasing this footage is a huge help to solve this.

Once seeing that I am now further convinced that Margarito has been railroaded here.

I never said I was an expert, I was just wondering why since Saturday, Margs fans have come up with a million excuses for the hole in the wraps, which by the way, no matter how you slice it, it is a hole. The ones talking about the marker, threat, sulfar and all the other bull are the Marg fans, the ones that seem to have an excuse about everything and are the experts on markers, threat, sufar, pictures and everything else. Get for real.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

You weren't there for Margarito either, but I don't see that stopping you. See, this is a perfect example of you seeing what you want and commenting on what you want.

Don't run away now. Which one is it. Is plaster breaking bones or breaking itself?

Edgar, is plaster breaking bones or breaking itself.

I saw the results from the cotto fight, and from the mosley bout he didnt get to use those pads, neither fight showed ribs being busted sever swelling none of that in fact cotto swelled up twice as much against Manny did Manny use loaded wraps?

Now regarding the evidence, all I can go on is what we have been told and what they found, along with what information is out there, the elements found were two elements Sulfur and Calcium thats been reported.

Research what is in plaster paris you will find Calcium Sulfate which is one element not two and its not the same as Sulfur and Calcium.

Mosleys story is that ****m took the pad into their dressing room, who is to say that they didnt plant **** on it while it was out of their presence?

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I never said I was an expert, I was just wondering why since Saturday, Margs fans have come up with a million excuses for the hole in the wraps, which by the way, no matter how you slice it, it is a hole. The ones talking about the marker, threat, sulfar and all the other bull are the Marg fans, the ones that seem to have an excuse about everything and are the experts on markers, threat, sufar, pictures and everything else. Get for real.

Ohh Gee Sorry little fella I aint saying what you want to hear, I can tell you thats a marker cus my ****ing son is fighting nearly every saturday his wraps get signed off and thats exactly what it looks like when a sharpie makes contact with surgical gauze.

My point is very simple, if you havent had your hands wrapped before going into a fight how the **** do you know?

[BoxingGenius27]

I saw the results from the cotto fight, and from the mosley bout he didnt get to use those pads, neither fight showed ribs being busted sever swelling none of that in fact cotto swelled up twice as much against Manny did Manny use loaded wraps?

Now regarding the evidence, all I can go on is what we have been told and what they found, along with what information is out there, the elements found were two elements Sulfur and Calcium thats been reported.

Research what is in plaster paris you will find Calcium Sulfate which is one element not two and its not the same as Sulfur and Calcium.

Mosleys story is that ****m took the pad into their dressing room, who is to say that they didnt plant **** on it while it was out of their presence?

Exactly, this is the 3rd time you've ducked one of my questions in this thread and answered something completely different.

I take that as you waving the white flag. Thanks Dr. Zooka, I accept your compliment.

Case closed. My duty is done here.

[edgarg]

Since you said these are your "opinions", I'll let it go peacefully. Although, I don't think too highly of them, I'll let it go and leave it at that.

PS: The degrading didn't start until you had the "genius" jokes. But hey, it's cool man.

It's Edgarg, not edgard. Don't exaggerate, I though we'd finished with trying to drag each other's name in the mud. it isn't "according to edgard" it's according to the test carried out by Hugh Benbow and his fighter Cleveland Williams, in collaboration with Boxing illustrated who gave a full report on the test, as you properly corrected my date, in 1964. And it didn't turn to "powder" it crumbled to tiny fragments.

But the test disproved the plaster bandages supposedly used by Jack Dempsey to beat Jess Willard.....that is according to a book written by his manager Jack Doc" Kears. He was trying to raise interest in the book, He was broke, but was a proven notorious liar.

Anyway, all the experts were unanimous that it just couldn't be done, and Williams said he felt the wraps crumble after the first punch. He punched a bag 4 times total.

About the "genius" jokes, sorry, I was being mildly sarcastic,....I mean...what a name to chose no matter how much you know......

[pinkivory]

Ohh Gee Sorry little fella I aint saying what you want to hear, I can tell you thats a marker cus my ****ing son is fighting nearly every saturday his wraps get signed off and thats exactly what it looks like when a sharpie makes contact with surgical gauze.

My point is very simple, if you havent had your hands wrapped before going into a fight how the **** do you know?

I have a mind of my own, and common sense. I don't need to hear anything from a nuthugger of Marg. Today is a marker, yesterday was a black threat from a shirt, tomorrow it will be a birth mark from Marg's hand. You have no credibility, it's excuse after excuse.

[My Name Is...]

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Exactly, this is the 3rd time you've ducked one of my questions in this thread and answered something completely different.

I take that as you waving the white flag. Thanks Dr. Zooka, I accept your compliment.

Case closed. My duty is done here.

Ohh okay sir claim false victory, just like your 10k bet on Floyd stopping Ortiz in the 4th which you have no proof of

[edgarg]

For someone to attack other posters for not reading, you sure are guilty of your own claims. Let me answer it for you.

No Dr. Zooka.

Read Edgard's article regarding plaster. You will find that supposedly when Cleveland Williams did some kind of experiment, he had plaster on his gloves and crumbled the plaster when he struck the bag.

I'm not talking about flakes as you were trying to downplay the claim. I'm talking about desinergrating the plaster like some alien spacegun from a scene in Star Trek.

If this is true, then plaster of paris should be a non factor in the Resto case, right?

I have to chip in here. The report was not "supposedly". The experiment DID happen and was given a very good test. Cleveland Williams was the boxer who punched the heavy bag 4 times and said he felt it crumble after the first punch. When the gloves were taken off, it was reported that the Plaster-of- Paris had crumbled into harmless fragments.

It was devious for you to say "supposedly", as it was you who corrected my wrong date, and said you had the Boxing Illustrated copy the report was in. I'm sure this test can be found on the internet, There was a large collection of experts there, who were unaninous in their decision that Doc Kearns was lying and that plastered bandages couldn't possibly hold up to any kind of punching.

Plaster-of-Paris would need to be built up (very much like they do with a broken leg cast) with successive painted on layers. It would be bulky, and immediately noticeable, and would have to be over the knuckles, like a knuckleduster. So I don't see how anything as hard as a rib could be damaged by the kind of wraps which would need to doctored without being noticed..

There's loads of times that bones have been fractured, and there has been no fist enhancement.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I have to chip in here. The report was not "supposedly". The experiment DID happen and was given a very good test. Cleveland Williams was the boxer who punched the heavy bag 4 times and said he felt it crumble after the first punch. When the gloves were taken off, it was reported that the Plaster-of- Paris had crumbled into harmless fragments.

It was devious for you to say "supposedly", as it was you who corrected my wrong date, and said you had the Boxing Illustrated copy the report was in. I'm sure this test can be found on the internet, There was a large collection of experts there, who were unaninous in their decision that Doc Kearns was lying and that plastered bandages couldn't possibly hold up to any kind of punching.

Plaster-of-Paris would need to be built up (very much like they do with a broken leg cast) with successive painted on layers. It would be bulky, and immediately noticeable, and would have to be over the knuckles, like a knuckleduster. So I don't see how anything as hard as a rib could be damaged by the kind of wraps which would need to doctored without being noticed..

There's loads of times that bones have been fractured, and there has been no fist enhancement.

They do not and will not understand this because they choose to make their mind up with out using any type of logic or reason. They hated Margarito long before the Cotto fight, and when this went down with Mosley these guys were happy, both Cotto fans and *****s.

Cotto fans had found themselves a valid excuse, while *****s who have heard **** from Tony fans about Floyd ducking suddenly had a relevant arguement.

Regardless of what happend between Floyd and Tony and between Tony and Miguel, what I am looking at is the evidence or lack there of, I believe the commission over reacted because of the type of scene ****m Richardson made there.

in addition GBP was the people behind the fight and doing the promotion and if you havent heard, Oscar did go to Azteca Boxing to spar for his bout with Vargas and tried to show up Margarito in sparring only to find Margarito was no punk, and Margarito beat him down and dropped him with a body shot...

Oscar since has been very bitter towards Margarito who basically embarrassed Oscar in front of everybody at the gym, and Oscar has very close ties with the commission here in California