Marquez "I Cant Fight Without a Hyperbaric Chamber."Grandpas-"Technology Dont Matter"

[cupocity303]

45 round fight. Watch rounds 37-40 and their workrate, combinations, etc and try to tell me that Marquez's chamber gets him into better shape than these men in 1910. Most guys today in rounds 8 or 9 start looking like they do in the 39th.

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Good post.

Look at their footwork. They're flat footed, dragging their feet. It's the equivalent of a Marathon with guys walking the entire way. They're not nearly expending the kind of energy that today's fighters expend, which they prepare for in 7 week training camps.

Are these guys tougher? Probably, I'll give them that. They get in there and they slug.

The modern day fighter wouldn't need 45 rounds to KO one of these guys. As a matter of fact, send either one of those two into the future, and just have them fight a regular 12 round fight. I'll guarantee either one of em' would be exhausted after 10 rounds, and the kind of pace a modern day boxer would put them through. If they dragged their feet like that, they would get knocked out.

[cupocity303]

You were able to ascertain all that from a promotional shot of a fighter? Some of the techniques are goofy and awkward looking by modern standards, but they are extremely effective. Watch some of the footage (it's limited but you can find it on youtube) and you'll see speed, precision, combination punching, knockout power, all of it. The cover might look a little different, but the story inside is the same.

Your post relied on the presumption that I only made that judgement based off of that picture. I didn't, I just used it since it was already in the article Jab posted.

I have seen footage of those guys, no need to tell me about them. And my opinion stands.

[sammiza567]

It's ancient. It's the equivalent of the early-days of Basketball. When guys were just starting to develop of a Jump Shot or a Free throw. And how the new generation took it to the next level, and created the fade away, new athletic ways to dribble the ball (I.E. Iverson-esque).

wilt chamberlain>dwight howard+prime shaq

[BigStereotype]

Your post relied on the presumption that I only made that judgement based off of that picture. I didn't, I just used it since it was already in the article Jab posted.

I have seen footage of those guys, no need to tell me about them. And my opinion stands.

Fair enough. I disagree with you, but if you looked at all the evidence and came to that conclusion, that's cool. It's these idiots that have clearly not seen any of the footage and just assume that the fighters are better. Out of curiosity, when's your cutoff date for modern competition?

[cupocity303]

I've never seen Marciano, Johnson, Ezzard Charles, Joe Walcott, Tunney or any of those guys who were competing in the 15 rounds or more eras punch themselves out.

But I do know one who belongs to this so-called superior era for training called Wlad K. who punched himself out - twice. Once inside 4 rounds (LOL).

But he is also a 6'6 guy. Still more athletic and in better condition than anyone as tall from decades past. Yet he can wear himself out if he tries to fight like a Lower-weight Boxer because of his Mass and size.

Difference is, he doesn't have to fight like that and he was smart enough to figure it out. He is taller and he has the skill to fight more conservative and still dominate. IT WORKS. However, nobody else can get away with that unless they happen to be his Brother, Vitali.

There are some 6'7 prospects on the come up, I'm curious to see whether they can adopt the Klitschko system to winning. I certainly wouldn't recommend to them fighting like Paul Williams.

[cupocity303]

Fair enough. I disagree with you, but if you looked at all the evidence and came to that conclusion, that's cool. It's these idiots that have clearly not seen any of the footage and just assume that the fighters are better. Out of curiosity, when's your cutoff date for modern competition?

Well the post you initially replied to did say 1990-2011 didn't it. But that was just a general guesstimation, thinking of guys like Roy Jones. But I'm willing to go down into 1980's.

[cupocity303]

And get brutally stopped or beat by the Duke and Axel Shulz....

Also how many of these guys who didnt get punched out weighed 250 lbs? They would have been KO'ed by one shot. The guy who just won the NYC marathon paced a faster mile time than the world record at the time of that 11 minute video. I thought it was 45 rounds? Wait isnt this back when rounds ended on a knock down?

As for more fights? Jack Dempsey, a man who I would have KO'ed personally in one or two punches and then taken his woman for my own, fought 8 real times past the age of 24. Vitali hadn't even started to focus on boxing at 24...8 times past 24. From july 1919 to September 1926...so over 7years, while champion, he fought 5 times...and people call Floyd inactive.

Also, who are you going to believe, Marquez...a well conditioned professional boxer or Jab a well fattened man who lives in a box? I mean he says that modern training techniques dont matter...I mean look at all he's accomplished while scorning modern technology. I bet that Kenyan who just won the NYC marathon could box 500 rounds no problem.

Also I think its funny that a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko who weighs 250 lbs threw more punches in any 3 rounds against Adamek than in that entire 11 minute video.

When I was 13 years old I was breaking the early 20th century olympic records in swimming with a drag suit on in practice. What happened? Faster water today? Those guys in the video look like 2 morons who had no clue how to throw a powerful shot and wanted to dance around wrestling rather than boxing, i would have beat both and then taken their women, impregnated them, and then forced them to raise my child and not give a dime in child support.

This guy is a good troll.

Good comic relief.

[BigStereotype]

Well the post you initially replied to did say 1990-2011 didn't it. But that was just a general guesstimation, thinking of guys like Roy Jones. But I'm willing to go down into 1980's.

Then how do you explain old, fat-ass George Foreman coming back and knocking people out to win the belt?

[cupocity303]

Everyone already knows this. It would be like saying you could put Vitali in against any HW in history and Vital would win. But its not exactly fair unless you let the old fighter (e.x. Ali) train using today's techniques and diet. If you plucked him out of the past without giving him a chance to train like a modern fighter than he gets KTFO.

However it is possible that a modern fighter would gas out if they did same day weigh in and fight until someone gets ktfo. The only fighter I could see today that would do good in old school rules is Pacquaio. I've never seen him tired even after throwing thousands of punches and he doesn't put on that much weight after the weigh in.

And this is why I never initiate these kinds of topics. There are far to many things to consider, if you're going to compare Past Vs Present, which you have just pointed out. Those who say Fighter from the past gets Ko'd by fighter from present because of advanced training - don't take into account Present fighters having to fight in the past without their Modern nutrients, 8 week training camps, etc,. How does Wlad Klitschko at his height fare, if he didn't have today's gym, nutrients, and all that and was brought up in their rugged environment. Still it's unfair to ask a present day fighter to DEVOLVE and accommodate the environment of the past. It's much more fair to ask a fighter from the past, to come into the future and EVOLVE physically/athletically with all the advancements, and see how he fares.

As far as your Pacquiao comment, we don't truly know that unless you're 100% on board that Pacquiao is a clean fighter, without him having taken the Tests that many of us ask of him...

[cupocity303]

Then how do you explain old, fat-ass George Foreman coming back and knocking people out to win the belt?

A BIG punchers luck? ****ty competition? A combination of both?

I don't know. There was nothing scientific about what he did.

Certainly if we're gonna downplay the current talent pool of Heavyweights, we can do the same with the 80's, considering a fat guy was knocking a lot of em out.