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Good post green k 4 youComment
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That's just so incorrect and you thinking that is sad. I noticed you have Hopkins in your sig, his stance and footwork is modelled after fighters like Archie and Ezzard. That stance you mock serves a purpos the advantages of which Hopkins utilizes, unbeknownst to you.I'll challenge it, even though I originally wanted to leave it with the Green K message I sent you.
Look at that guys boxing stance:
It's ancient. It's the equivalent of the early-days of Basketball. When guys were just starting to develop of a Jump Shot or a Free throw. And how the new generation took it to the next level, and created the fade away, new athletic ways to dribble the ball (I.E. Iverson-esque).
That's the way I see the new generation of Boxers 1990-2011. It's not just the Athleticism, Training and all the Hyperbaric Chambers to replenish your lungs, the Protein shakes, better knowledge of the Human body applied to Training which some of these Strength & Conditioning are good at etc,.
There was no Science into what they did in the earlier days of Boxing. Top fighters going at it every few weeks. We don't know how modern day fighters would have fared in that type of environment, having to fight every few weeks, but I'm pretty sure the Legends of the past would've loved fighting in the current era. Not because the competition would've been any easier, but because they would get to fight less for more Money, WIN OR LOSE, and their primes would've lasted a lot longer also. The Promoters wouldn't have ****** the life out of you by age 35, with 80, 90, 100 fights, and you retiring broke.
Can't embed but watch this video which breaks down some of these differences which you are mocking and explain the reasons behind the method.
Jack Dempsey's manuel Championship fighting written in 1950 is still regarded as one of the best boxing manuel's ever composed
Truth be told some things like the high guard defense which is more the norm rather than arm at your waist ala Bute, Floyd, Toney style actually shows a regression of certain skills. Once you can slip, parry, block, roll with shots, tuck your chin properly your left hand doesn't need to be held up to protect your chin which allows it to be utilized for oppertunities that are otherwise unavailable. Alot of top fighters today even Champions can't do some of these basic techniques properly.
Fighting as often as they do they're always in shape rather than ballooning up 40lbs and needing to get into shape. 8 week camp doesn't get them into any better shape.
They fought with 4 or 5 ounce gloves with horse hair unlike the modern pillows by comparison. The reverse is more likely with past era boxers having a easier time knocking out modern fighters.
Does Dempsey or Tunney look to be flatfooted,unrefined or lack mobility? Even Ali credited Tunney, watch Dempsey sparring here and along with him look at 6'7 Bill Tate. Do you think Akinwande, Ustinov, Grant, Mccline are any more mobile then this "modern" sized heavyweight?
https://<iframe width="420" height="...reen></iframe>Last edited by Mikhnienko; 11-08-2011, 06:46 PM.Comment
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nice postThat's just so incorrect and you thinking that is sad. I noticed you have Hopkins in your sig, his stance and footwork is modelled after fighters like Archie and Ezzard. That stance you mock serves a purpos the advantages of which Hopkins utilizes, unbeknownst to you.
Can't embed but watch this video which breaks down some of these differences which you are mocking and explain the reasons behind the method.
Jack Dempsey's manuel Championship fighting written in 1950 is still regarded as one of the best boxing manuel's ever composed
Truth be told some things like the high guard defense which is more the norm rather than arm at your waist ala Bute, Floyd, Toney style actually shows a regression of certain skills. Once you can slip, parry, block, roll with shots, tuck your chin properly your left hand doesn't need to be held up to protect your chin which allows it to be utilized for oppertunities that are otherwise unavailable. Alot of top fighters today even Champions can't do some of these basic techniques properly.
Fighting as often as they do they're always in shape rather than ballooning up 40lbs and needing to get into shape. 8 week camp doesn't get them into any better shape.
They fought with 4 or 5 ounce gloves with horse hair unlike the modern pillows by comparison. The reverse is more likely with past era boxers having a easier time knocking out modern fighters.
Does Dempsey or Tunney look to be flatfooted,unrefined or lack mobility? Even Ali credited Tunney, watch Dempsey sparring here and along with him look at 6'7 Bill Tate. Do you think Akinwande, Ustinov, Grant, Mccline are any more mobile then this "modern" sized heavyweight?
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I didn't expect you to ''side'' with the old school fightersComment
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This is because of how fast most of todays athletes have to get in shape. They do not stay in shape all year around, this is the point you are missing. Most of these guys get out of shape inbetween fights and then have a few weeks to get themselves back in proper shape.
Guys like Hopkins for example use none of this new stuff, because he's in shape year round. THIS is the point you aren't realizing. Fighters of yesteryear who stayed in the gym, or the year prior to yesteryear, where they all had 80+ professional fights.. always in shape because there was always a fight around the corner. Didn't have time to get fat then lose weight.
Todays methods are only good for getting you prepared quicker than without, but if Marquez didn't walk around at 150, he wouldn't need all teh fancy stuff to get to 135 in a short period.
I see the majority of fighters today struggle after the 6th round, while fighting at incredibly slow paces.
While I can go back right now and find 15rnders where the fighters looked like they could go 10 more. The conditioning today is atrocious and this is because of the lack of career long dedication. Fighters get in and out of shape all the time and it has lasting effects. This wasn't teh case back then, they were always in shape, and it showed.
Name me 5 fights off the top right now who could go 15 HARD rounds, please.Last edited by intoccabile; 11-26-2011, 04:56 PM.Comment
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I believe that modern technology can help, but a lot of it is hard work also. What I will say is, that a lot of boxers don't train hard enough. Boxers have it easier with less rounds and more weight classes. They fight less and I believe their endurance and toughness is not the same. These days an injury will stop a fight, but often in the old era fighters would fight.Comment
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Dempsey looks better in that video than the Haye's and Adameks of today.
These guys were fighting 15+ rounds while fighters of today get winded after 5.Comment
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