Marquez "I Cant Fight Without a Hyperbaric Chamber."Grandpas-"Technology Dont Matter"

[Die Antwoord]

The evidence doesn't support you. Guys used to fight 15 rounds once a month. So who's in better shape? I think that the good fighters are good fighters in any era. The fluctuation comes in the level of competition.

Who fought 15 rounds once a month? And besides do you understand anything about things like kinesiology or training? If you had a fight every month you couldn't actually make gains or improvements in your conditioning.

And the evidence completely supports me. At 13 years old I was a faster swimmer than anyone who ever lived prior to 1920. Did the properties of water change? Guess what our knowledge trained we learned how to train and how growth and gains come in RECOVERY not in training.

I would have beaten Jack Johnson to death in the ring and exposed him for the b1tch he was. I would have then taken his woman and spilt my seed in her.

[BigStereotype]

Who fought 15 rounds once a month? And besides do you understand anything about things like kinesiology or training? If you had a fight every month you couldn't actually make gains or improvements in your conditioning.

And the evidence completely supports me. At 13 years old I was a faster swimmer than anyone who ever lived prior to 1920. Did the properties of water change? Guess what our knowledge trained we learned how to train and how growth and gains come in RECOVERY not in training.

I would have beaten Jack Johnson to death in the ring and exposed him for the b1tch he was. I would have then taken his woman and spilt my seed in her.

Robinson would fight more than 12 times a year.

[Die Antwoord]

Joe Louis beat 3 fighters in his entire career who didnt start their career under 200 lbs. 3. Simon, Buddy Baer, and Primo Carnera...Simon was morbidly obese and coming off a loss both times...Baer was 26 well past the prime age back then and was suffering from gout, liver and heart disease, Carnera was a circus performer. Thats it. i would have beat Joe Louis to a pulp. I probably would have killed him in the ring. Taught him a lesson for stealing tax money.

[Die Antwoord]

Robinson would fight more than 12 times a year.

That wasnt the quote, you said it was 15 rounders once a month. Wlad fought 12 times in a year as well. Robinson fought on average ever 4.5 months when fighting championship fights. He also wasnt a heavyweight. And again post a year where he had more than 5 15 rounders, how about 4?

[CHOWWOKKA]

I just think its funny how a top 10 p4p boxer talks about how he couldn't perform without modern technology. We see his workouts utilizing modern theories on fitness. We have all this evidence that modern athletes are far superior. However, old people still want to believe their part time fighting heroes could compete today. Its hilarious. I would have knocked Jack Johnson out, probably in 1 round.

Well nobody wants to admit that their generation or ERA is the inferior one. That's why Bert Sugar is such a douche.

[BigStereotype]

That wasnt the quote, you said it was 15 rounders once a month. Wlad fought 12 times in a year as well. Robinson fought on average ever 4.5 months when fighting championship fights. He also wasnt a heavyweight. And again post a year where he had more than 5 15 rounders, how about 4?

He fought 17 times in 1946. When has Wlad fought 12 times a year? Please show me those numbers. Listen, dude, they fought more often and longer. I don't think there are any welterweights today who could beat Robinson, but I don't think there are any welterweights ever who could beat him. But look at my favorite fighters. Most of them are modern fighters. I love them. But I can acknowledge that there are greats that were around before I was born and that some of them might have different advantages. Are fighters of today more perfectly tuned? Possibly, but there is a mean ruggedness in some of those old timers that is FAR more important than electric athleticism. Who wins, prime Margarito or prime Judah?

[cupocity303]

Nobody wants to challenge this?

I'll challenge it, even though I originally wanted to leave it with the Green K message I sent you.

Look at that guys boxing stance:

It's ancient. It's the equivalent of the early-days of Basketball. When guys were just starting to develop of a Jump Shot or a Free throw. And how the new generation took it to the next level, and created the fade away, new athletic ways to dribble the ball (I.E. Iverson-esque).

That's the way I see the new generation of Boxers 1990-2011. It's not just the Athleticism, Training and all the Hyperbaric Chambers to replenish your lungs, the Protein shakes, better knowledge of the Human body applied to Training which some of these Strength & Conditioning are good at etc,.

There was no Science into what they did in the earlier days of Boxing. Top fighters going at it every few weeks. We don't know how modern day fighters would have fared in that type of environment, having to fight every few weeks, but I'm pretty sure the Legends of the past would've loved fighting in the current era. Not because the competition would've been any easier, but because they would get to fight less for more Money, WIN OR LOSE, and their primes would've lasted a lot longer also. The Promoters wouldn't have ****** the life out of you by age 35, with 80, 90, 100 fights, and you retiring broke.

[Danny Gunz]

I just think its funny how a top 10 p4p boxer talks about how he couldn't perform without modern technology. We see his workouts utilizing modern theories on fitness. We have all this evidence that modern athletes are far superior. However, old people still want to believe their part time fighting heroes could compete today. Its hilarious. I would have knocked Jack Johnson out, probably in 1 round.

Thank you TS.... I have gotten into countless debates with people on these forums about the lingering old school training methods.

[cupocity303]

How are they better when the things I've pointed out are true? Do we need to bring in the slobs they have passing off as heavyweight contenders these days?

Can you refute anything in the article I provided?

The slobs are mostly out of America though. They're a product of their environment, and the Western Diet.

I don't see that many slobs that are outside of America. Even the guy we all considered BUM-esque in Albert Sosnowski, was ripped on fight night. Blame America and it's culture.

Outside of it, Boxers are still being Boxers, training like they're supposed to.

[BigStereotype]

I'll challenge it, even though I originally wanted to leave it with the Green K message I sent you.

Look at that guys boxing stance:

It's ancient. It's the equivalent of the early-days of Basketball. When guys were just starting to develop of a Jump Shot or a Free throw. And how the new generation took it to the next level, and created the fade away, new athletic ways to dribble the ball (I.E. Iverson-esque).

That's the way I see the new generation of Boxers 1990-2011. It's not just the Athleticism, Training and all the Hyperbaric Chambers to replenish your lungs, the Protein shakes, better knowledge of the Human body applied to Training which some of these Strength & Conditioning are good at etc,.

There was no Science into what they did in the earlier days of Boxing. Top fighters going at it every few weeks. We don't know how modern day fighters would have fared in that type of environment, having to fight every few weeks, but I'm pretty sure the Legends of the past would've loved fighting in the current era. Not because the competition would've been any easier, but because they would get to fight less for more Money, WIN OR LOSE, and their primes would've lasted a lot longer also. The Promoters wouldn't have ****** the life out of you by age 35, with 80, 90, 100 fights, and you retiring broke.

You were able to ascertain all that from a promotional shot of a fighter? Some of the techniques are goofy and awkward looking by modern standards, but they are extremely effective. Watch some of the footage (it's limited but you can find it on youtube) and you'll see speed, precision, combination punching, knockout power, all of it. The cover might look a little different, but the story inside is the same.