Quick Roy/Ruiz question...

[Bozo_no no]

I don't recall any flush shot Ruiz landed, ie. when the kinetic power of the blow wasn't dissipated by Roy's reflex response.)

This shot was right on the temple, and Roy's knees buckled, but he took it and threw back.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

No, he didn't because as I mentioned that list is a joke. None of those guys were top rated middleweights.

You listed Suppermiddleweights (want me to start mentioning Lt Heavy's that Calzaghe didn't fight?), and guys who were washed up, or too young.

You're really grasping at straws here.

I'm not clutching at straws, I'm trying to figure out your way of thought on this matter.

1. Those guys were all middleweights at the same time as Hopkins.

2. They were all named fighters... Most of which were world champions.

3. If none of them are top rated middleweights, then do you consider any of these to be top rated middleweights?

Segundo Mercado
Steve Frank
Joe Lipsey
William James
John David Jackson
Glen Johnson
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Carl Daniels
Morrade Hakkar
William Joppy
Robert Allen

???

[Guest]

This shot was right on the temple, and Roy's knees buckled, but he took it and threw back.

I remember that one. From the gif it doesn't look like Ruiz has got full momentum there (I can't see how he could from that position anyway) and Roy's head rolls with the punch. It's a good solid-ish shot, but I wouldn't call it "flush".

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calzaghe career similar to hopkins.... LMFAO

[TuPrincipe]

I think if Ruiz hit Jones flush he would of been at the VERY LEAST knocked down. We're talking about a 40-50 pound difference here.

[Bozo_no no]

I'm not clutching at straws, I'm trying to figure out your way of thought on this matter.

1. Those guys were all middleweights at the same time as Hopkins.

2. They were all named fighters... Most of which were world champions.

3. If none of them are top rated middleweights, then do you consider any of these to be top rated middleweights?

Segundo Mercado
Steve Frank
Joe Lipsey
William James
John David Jackson
Glen Johnson
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Carl Daniels
Morrade Hakkar
William Joppy
Robert Allen

???

Because those were the top rated middleweight, mandatory defenses etc.

You are patheticlly grasping at straws. You are compairing the assured Hall of Fame Career of Bernard Hopkins to that of Joe Calzaghe, who will receive no Hall of Fame consideration.

If that wasn't bad enough on it's own, you're counting each reason why with absolute non sense.

From trying to insinuate that (like it proves anything) that Hopkins didn't fight outside the USA, to that laughable list of guys who (for the 3rd time) were Super Middleweights, washed up former greats (William Joppy knocked out Roberto Duran in three rounds and Julian Jackson was knocked out by Quincy Taylor in 95 and moved back down to 154) and Green fighters (fighting Taylor over Sturm) and Wright wasn't at Middleweight until Hopkins signed to fight Taylor.


All you did was spout a bunch of absolute deluded garbage in an attempt to make yourself feel better about your moronic opinion that Calzaghe is on Hopkins level.

Hopkins cleaned out the best fighters at Middleweight over 10 years, KO'd future Hall of Famers, and did so in a dominating fashion. He also unified the titles.

Calzaghe hasn't fought a noteworthy great primed fighter in his entire career, did not fight a list of other top rated Super middelweights, and will receive no Hall of Fame consideration.

I know this upsets you, but all the non sense in the world you try and come up with isn't going to change this.

[Bozo_no no]

I remember that one. From the gif it doesn't look like Ruiz has got full momentum there (I can't see how he could from that position anyway) and Roy's head rolls with the punch. It's a good solid-ish shot, but I wouldn't call it "flush".

Pop the tape in friend, it certianly was. It was on the temple, and Roy's head is slightly moving left as the right is coming. You can hear the shot, and you can see Roy's legs buckle.

He stood up to it, and fired back.

[TuPrincipe]

Because those were the top rated middleweight, mandatory defenses etc.

You are patheticlly grasping at straws. You are compairing the assured Hall of Fame Career of Bernard Hopkins to that of Joe Calzaghe, who will receive no Hall of Fame consideration.

If that wasn't bad enough on it's own, you're counting each reason why with absolute non sense.

From trying to insinuate that (like it proves anything) that Hopkins didn't fight outside the USA, to that laughable list of guys who (for the 3rd time) were Super Middleweights, washed up former greats (William Joppy knocked out Roberto Duran in three rounds and Julian Jackson was knocked out by Quincy Taylor in 95 and moved back down to 154) and Green fighters (fighting Taylor over Sturm) and Wright wasn't at Middleweight until Hopkins signed to fight Taylor.


All you did was spout a bunch of absoluted deluded garbage in an attempt to make yourself feel better about your moronic opinion that Calzaghe is on Hopkins level.

Hopkins cleaned out the best fighters at Middleweight over 10 years, KO'd future Hall of Famers, and did so in a dominating fashion. He also unified the titles.

Calzaghe hasn't fought a noteworthy great primed fighter in his entire career, did not fight a list of other top rated Super middelweights, and will receive no Hall of Fame consideration.

I know this upsets you, but all the non sense in the world you try and come up with isn't going to change this.

Yep. I totally agree. Calzaghe will never be on Hopkins level in terms of ability, and hall of fame status. Hopkins is a god in his own right and Calzaghe is not. It's as simple as that.

In NO SINGLE WAY can you compare Calzaghe's career to that of Hopkins. NO SINGLE WAY.

[Bozo_no no]

Yep. I totally agree. Calzaghe will never be on Hopkins level in terms of ability, and hall of fame status. Hopkins is a god in his own right and Calzaghe is not. It's as simple as that.

In NO SINGLE WAY can you compare Calzaghe's career to that of Hopkins. NO SINGLE WAY.

Well you caaaaaaan, but as you saw in the last few pages, it would get quite desperate and comical.

=D

[Parody]

(I better let you know this before I start, Calzaghe offered Ottke £6,000,000 to fight in Germany which would have been a career earning fight for Ottke... And Ottke didn't want the fight).

If Calzaghe hasn't fought... Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy...

Then why didn't Hopkins fight... Robert McCracken, Hacine Cherifi, Richie Woodhall, Quincy Taylor, Julian Jackson, Jonathan Reid, Roberto Duran, Felix Sturm, Winky Wright, Harry Simon, Harry Simon, Otis Grant, Lonnie Bradley, Charles Brewer, Omar Sheika, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins???

Was he ducking these fighters??

And is it all up to Calzaghe to wait for Lacy to get himself together... Calzaghe has defended his title 18 times... He's the recognized champ. Lacy is the new kid on the block... perhaps Lacy should be making more of an effort to fight Calzaghe instead of wasting time fighting an OLD Robin Reid?

Calzaghe doesn't fight in America because he earns 5X as much fighting in the UK.

Im sorry put did u put Harry Simon twice just to make the opponent list bigger..lol

Nigel Benn was a Super middleweight...

Ive only heard of Winky, Sturm, Duran and Jackson from ur list...the others are nobodys...atleast i havent heard of them or they havent done anything good, so why should hopkins fight those bums when he have big fights?

Funny how u didnt mention trinidad and de la hoya...he certainly didnt duck them.. did he now???

talk about the big fights hopkins had.. and won

Felix Trinidad
Oscar De la Hoya
Howard Eastman
Glen Johnson
Keith Holmes
Carl Daniels
William Joppy