Quick Roy/Ruiz question...

[TheEvilSaint]

Given what we know about Roy's chin since he dropped back down in weight, what would have happened if Ruiz had connected solidly with Roy's chin?

ruiz did connect solidly with roys chin, and last time i checked, roy wasnt KDd or KOd.

[Bozo_no no]

I just can't be bothered to reply to this crap... I just can't be bothered to type out the explanations.

If you'd read the boxing news etc over the last 8yrs you'd know exactly why most of these fights weren't made... And throwing in Jeff Lacy makes me understand that you are looking at this from a completely biased view point.

Calzaghe has a broken hand.

lol, right, you can't be bothered to explain why for EIGHT YEARS, there have been PLENTY of viable opponents for Calzage to fight, but for some reason, it never happened.

As I told JuyJuy several times, if it was one or two opponents over a year or so, MAYBE you can say it's everyone else's fault but Joe's.

When it's been his WHOLE CAREER and a NUMBER of viable challenges that haven't happened, its' no one's fault but his own.

Nothing changes the fact that there has been fights and challenges avaialabe, and NOTHING ever came of them.

You can't say that about Hopkins in the least. He fought all comers, dominated them, and unified all the titles.

And yes, I am aware that Joe hurt his hand, but it was in a fight he had no business taking (jepordizing a big fight and payday over nothing) and before he took the fight he even made a comment to the effect of "I sure hope I don't get injured".

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

You can't say that about Hopkins in the least. He fought all comers, dominated them, and unified all the titles.

And yes, I am aware that Joe hurt his hand, but it was in a fight he had no business taking (jepordizing a big fight and payday over nothing) and before he took the fight he even made a comment to the effect of "I sure hope I don't get injured".

Hopkins fought all comers??? I remember him shouting his mouth off time and time again on boxing websites saying! "Mosley, De La Hoya, Vargas, Mayorga, Mayweather, Morlaes, Barrera, Larios!!! They all eat like models because they're afraid to come up in weight and fight a REAL man!", and when he did fight people his own weight like Eastman... He ran ran ran all night long. Makes me think he's a bully.

Fighters have to fight to earn money... What would you be saying now if Lacy had broken his hand fighting Reid?

There is a very large factor involved in the fight game called "Timing".

They'll fight... Don't you worry, this is just an unfortunate delay.

[Bozo_no no]

Hopkins fought all comers???

At Middleweight during his title reign? Absolutly.

Unlike Calzaghe, who didn't unify, and didn't fight Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy.

That was my point.

You'd be best to let this go, because it was a silly assertion in the 1st place.

Fighters have to fight to earn money... What would you be saying now if Lacy had broken his hand fighting Reid?

There is a very large factor involved in the fight game called "Timing".

They'll fight... Don't you worry, this is just an unfortunate delay.

If Calzaghe had came to the US, and fought some of the names I mentioned, he wouldn't have needed the quid he earned in that last joke of a fight. The point is, he didn't need to take that fight, he would have got more challenging work in sparring, and he jepordized a potential career defining fight, and a huge payday.

I hope your right, I hope it does happen, but with Calzaghe's track record of being involved in meaningfull fights, I'm not holding my breath.

[TuPrincipe]

Martin sorry to say but it's IMPOSSIBLE to argue in Calzaghe's favour.

Bernard has fought all fighters in the middleweight. Yes some of them haven't been great but he has fought EVERYONE. His only legacy building fights were against blown up welterweights, but he performed brilliantly, which is much more then you can say for Calzaghe.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

(I better let you know this before I start, Calzaghe offered Ottke £6,000,000 to fight in Germany which would have been a career earning fight for Ottke... And Ottke didn't want the fight).

If Calzaghe hasn't fought... Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy...

Then why didn't Hopkins fight... Robert McCracken, Hacine Cherifi, Richie Woodhall, Quincy Taylor, Julian Jackson, Jonathan Reid, Roberto Duran, Felix Sturm, Winky Wright, Harry Simon, Harry Simon, Otis Grant, Lonnie Bradley, Charles Brewer, Omar Sheika, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins???

Was he ducking these fighters??

And is it all up to Calzaghe to wait for Lacy to get himself together... Calzaghe has defended his title 18 times... He's the recognized champ. Lacy is the new kid on the block... perhaps Lacy should be making more of an effort to fight Calzaghe instead of wasting time fighting an OLD Robin Reid?

Calzaghe doesn't fight in America because he earns 5X as much fighting in the UK.

[Bozo_no no]

Then why didn't Hopkins fight... Robert McCracken, Hacine Cherifi, Richie Woodhall, Quincy Taylor, Julian Jackson, Jonathan Reid, Roberto Duran, Felix Sturm, Winky Wright, Harry Simon, Harry Simon, Otis Grant, Lonnie Bradley, Charles Brewer, Omar Sheika, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins???

Was he ducking these fighters??

Wow is that ever a joke. How long did it take you to put that together.

How many of those fighters were ranked anywhere near the top of the division at the time of Hopkins reign?

Most of them were super middleweights, some of them were washed up and almost retired, others weren't even on the scope until this year when Hopkins was 40 fighting Jermain Taylor.

Wow is that ever funny.

And is it all up to Calzaghe to wait for Lacy to get himself together... Calzaghe has defended his title 18 times... He's the recognized champ.

More humor.

Calzaghe is the WBO titlist. That's the least credible title, and according to the Ring Magazine, the recognized top spot is vacent, and rightfully so.

Again, the only thing you can do is try and make excuses for how he's been unable to secure a figth with a list of available challengers for almost 8 straight years.

I don't think he ever wanted any part of Lacy.

It remains to be seen, but I say it becomes another fight that doesn't happen that should have.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

It took me two minutes to put this together, and most of them were world champions at the same time as Hopkins.

So did Hopkins duck these fighters?

[Guest]

So... could Roy have taken a flush shot off Ruiz then?


(If you want to know my bias with the thread, I actually picked "I'm not sure", though my gut feeling is he might have been stunned but shrugged it off. I don't recall any flush shot Ruiz landed, ie. when the kinetic power of the blow wasn't dissipated by Roy's reflex response.)

[Bozo_no no]

It took me two minutes to put this together, and most of them were world champions at the same time as Hopkins.

So did Hopkins duck these fighters?

No, he didn't because as I mentioned that list is a joke. None of those guys were top rated middleweights.

You listed Suppermiddleweights (want me to start mentioning Lt Heavy's that Calzaghe didn't fight?), and guys who were washed up, or too young.

You're really grasping at straws here.