Rewatched Mayweather Marquez

[Chopper417]

Pacquiao is NOT faster than Mayweather. Never has been. Floyd isn't the fastest puncher in boxing like Roy Jones, Zab Judah, Meldrick Taylor ... but he is definitely faster than Pacquiao who has never displayed overly fast hand speed. Pacquiao's speed comes from his darting in and out, not from hand speed.




When has Pacquiao EVER forced anyone to fight his fight?

Clottey thwarted everything Pacquiao had simply by holding his hands up.

Mosley thwarted everything Pacquiao had simply by boxing from the outside and showing the world that Pacquiao cannot use basic boxing skills to cut off a ring.

Again, when has Pacquiao forced ANYONE to fight his fight?

Pacquiao does well against men who are willing to stand and trade.

THAT'S IT.

His entire record is full of plodders. Pacquiao has never fought ANYONE who was able to consistently hit without being hit for 12 rounds. That's what gave rise to the accusation that says Pacquiao won't go near a slick fighter.

Joshua Clottey was supposed to be the slick fighter he fought to silence critics behind that accusation. Except Clottey is hardly a slick fighter. He's Black, but he's about as slick as sandpaper.

Pacquiao avoided the Zab Judah's, the Demarcus Corley's, the Tim Bradley's, the Zashir Raheem's.

So if we were to go by what you said, and then look at who has historically controlled every fight he's been in, then we know who the winner is ... according to you way of thinking.

Look dude, don't get me wrong I think Mayweather beats Pac, but saying Pac does not have elite hand speed is completely and utterly dillusional.

[bojangles1987]

Ehh I mean I don't disagree with you completely. Pretty thorough dismantling of one of the best fighters of our time though. I don't give Floyd massive credit for the win but it was an impressive performance. As long as you don't give Pac credit for the upcoming fight them I have no issues with the opinion on Mayweather vs Marquez.

Trust me, Pacquiao would have to completely switch styles and out counter punch Marquez or something like that to get any real credit from me.

[MindBat]

Made Marquez blow up 12 pounds of fat and then cheated hims on the scales by 2 pounds. Everyone doesn't talk about this fight because it was regarded as non legit by the entire boxing world.

The only thing Floyd made Marquez do was fall on his ass. Marquez called Floyd out and agreed to fight him at the higher weight to challenge himself. Not the other way around.

Marquez even accepted the over weight penalty payment when he could've refused to fight altogether if Floyd didn't lose the weight.

He drank his pee and fought on like a true champ.

[Brother Jay]

Look dude, don't get me wrong I think Mayweather beats Pac, but saying Pac does not have elite hand speed is completely and utterly dillusional.

My reply to you got deleted.

I wrote that this has nothing to do with who wins.

Pacquiao is not as fast as Mayweather, and Mayweather isn't as fast as Judah, RJJ, Meldrick Taylor, Gamboa, Gary Russell Jr, Adrien Bronner. Pacquiao is faster than the men he beats granted, but those men are not known for speed anyway.

I personally don't think that most of you understand the difference between handspeed and nimbleness.

You cannot name even ONE fight that Pacquiao has been in where he has demonstrated elite hand speed.

Roy Jones has thrown 5-6 consecutive hooks to an opponents head in less than 2 seconds. Pacquiao has NEVER done anything like that.

Pacquiao's only real combo is jab, jab straight left hand.

When have you seen Pacquiao throw a Tyson like combo and it be faster than average? He DOESN'T!

What Pacquiao excels at is leaping in, punching and moving out. I don't understand why people feel the need to lie and exaggerate.

Anyone can hit a heavybag or speedbag impressively. They cannot however use handspeed to overwhelm an opponent. When has Pacquiao stood in front of an opponent and used hand speed to overwhelm anyone?

I can tell you fights when the above-mentioned fighters have done it, because they do it in nearly every fight! When you have elite handspeed, you don't have to jump in and out. You can stand and trade to overwhelm because you can punch and slip, and keep on punching while your opponent is trying to keep up.

Pacquiao never does that. He leaps in and most people turn to avoid the second jab, and that's usually when he catches them with the straight left. Its fast, but that's not the measure of handspeed.

Most of you need to learn what's what, like the difference between handspeed and closing the distance quickly.

[SkyKng]

floyd weighing 2 pounds over doesnt matter, because marquez couldnt hit him at all. floyd's chin wasn't a factor. floyd could have KOd him in round 1, but he used him as a tune-up. he didn't try to knock him out, he outboxed him, so the 2 pounds really didn't make a difference. you don't hear marquez *****ing about it because he knows he's lucky he didn't get KO'd in round 1. if you don't think floyd could do it, go watch him again at 130, and realize he was fighting a smaller man in marquez. we've seen what he can do to smaller men. please respond

[SkyKng]

My reply to you got deleted.

I wrote that this has nothing to do with who wins.

Pacquiao is not as fast as Mayweather, and Mayweather isn't as fast as Judah, RJJ, Meldrick Taylor, Gamboa, Gary Russell Jr, Adrien Bronner. Pacquiao is faster than the men he beats granted, but those men are not known for speed anyway.

I personally don't think that most of you understand the difference between handspeed and nimbleness.

You cannot name even ONE fight that Pacquiao has been in where he has demonstrated elite hand speed.

Roy Jones has thrown 5-6 consecutive hooks to an opponents head in less than 2 seconds. Pacquiao has NEVER done anything like that.

Pacquiao's only real combo is jab, jab straight left hand.

When have you seen Pacquiao throw a Tyson like combo and it be faster than average? He DOESN'T!

What Pacquiao excels at is leaping in, punching and moving out. I don't understand why people feel the need to lie and exaggerate.

Anyone can hit a heavybag or speedbag impressively. They cannot however use handspeed to overwhelm an opponent. When has Pacquiao stood in front of an opponent and used hand speed to overwhelm anyone?

I can tell you fights when the above-mentioned fighters have done it, because they do it in nearly every fight! When you have elite handspeed, you don't have to jump in and out. You can stand and trade to overwhelm because you can punch and slip, and keep on punching while your opponent is trying to keep up.

Pacquiao never does that. He leaps in and most people turn to avoid the second jab, and that's usually when he catches them with the straight left. Its fast, but that's not the measure of handspeed.

Most of you need to learn what's what, like the difference between handspeed and closing the distance quickly.

good point, but the difference between gamboa simply is that when pac throws people cover up, when gamboa throws people try to trade. so gamboa gets his crazy KOs while pac's opponents cover up for dear life. maybe im wrong, let me know

[Carpe Diem]

Pacquiao is NOT faster than Mayweather. Never has been. Floyd isn't the fastest puncher in boxing like Roy Jones, Zab Judah, Meldrick Taylor ... but he is definitely faster than Pacquiao who has never displayed overly fast hand speed. Pacquiao's speed comes from his darting in and out, not from hand speed.

I guess we'll just have to disagree. Manny is way much more explosive with his hand speed than Floyd. However, i do think Floyd would not only be able to match Manny's hand speed, but he would neutralizing it as well.

[Chopper417]

My reply to you got deleted.

I wrote that this has nothing to do with who wins.

Pacquiao is not as fast as Mayweather, and Mayweather isn't as fast as Judah, RJJ, Meldrick Taylor, Gamboa, Gary Russell Jr, Adrien Bronner. Pacquiao is faster than the men he beats granted, but those men are not known for speed anyway.

I personally don't think that most of you understand the difference between handspeed and nimbleness.

You cannot name even ONE fight that Pacquiao has been in where he has demonstrated elite hand speed.

Roy Jones has thrown 5-6 consecutive hooks to an opponents head in less than 2 seconds. Pacquiao has NEVER done anything like that.

Pacquiao's only real combo is jab, jab straight left hand.

When have you seen Pacquiao throw a Tyson like combo and it be faster than average? He DOESN'T!

What Pacquiao excels at is leaping in, punching and moving out. I don't understand why people feel the need to lie and exaggerate.

Anyone can hit a heavybag or speedbag impressively. They cannot however use handspeed to overwhelm an opponent. When has Pacquiao stood in front of an opponent and used hand speed to overwhelm anyone?

I can tell you fights when the above-mentioned fighters have done it, because they do it in nearly every fight! When you have elite handspeed, you don't have to jump in and out. You can stand and trade to overwhelm because you can punch and slip, and keep on punching while your opponent is trying to keep up.

Pacquiao never does that. He leaps in and most people turn to avoid the second jab, and that's usually when he catches them with the straight left. Its fast, but that's not the measure of handspeed.

Most of you need to learn what's what, like the difference between handspeed and closing the distance quickly.

Pac's handspeed is average, gotcha thanks for explaining that to me bro, really.

So I would assume you have actually boxed or currently do?

[iNDOLiFER]

wait so now pac is not faster than floyd?? pac's speed is just average now?? so then why the PED accusation??? thought it was because manny was to fast moving up in weight and still carrying his speed into the higher weight??? now pac is just average?? so then he's not on peds right?? LOL!! one minute its manny have no skills and he has been selecting his opponents carefully to make him look better than he really is then the next its manny is on peds theres no way a person can move up in weight in that short period of time and still maintain the same speed then its manny's speed is just average, floyd is faster by far?

[iNDOLiFER]

some of these post is way to funny.. theres NOT one fight where pac showcase his amazing hand speed??? REALLY?????!!!???