Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz Trainer: We Would Have Beaten Mayweather

[Reloaded]

Dude, your just hugging the hell out of Mayweather's balls.

Victor won at least ONE round. Even if you don't think he won 3 rounds. He at the very least won ONE round. Or did you not see Floyd's head get knocked back multiple times?

Really, that's not even the point though. The fact is. Victor's game plan was getting to Floyd. He found a home for that left hook. Hell, he revealed the weakness to Floyd's shoulder roll and it has nothing to do with the jab. Victor simply wasn't fast enough, nor mentally capable of exploiting it.

If Pacquiao uses that game plan and exploits what Victor revealed in Floyd's defense. I don't think Floyd would win.

You probably didn't even see it. It's there and I saw it. Pacquiao has the speed and power to exploit it. Add that he doesn't stand completely still and right in the face of opponents like dumbass Ortiz did. It's even worse for Floyd.

Floyd would be in for hell if he tried to fight like that against Pacquiao. He'd have to hit and run to beat Pacquiao because standing his ground and countering Pacquiao is gonna fail. That is, if Pacquiao and Roach seen the weakness and exploit it.

A guy moves his head and the punch grazes because of that movement its not a connect , watch it again in slow motion Floyd hardly catches one ..
You boy needs to look at what lands as opposed to being slipped by 1/2 inch .
I often feel you fanboys imagine things with Floyd because you so bad want him to lose so you make up **** thats not even there .

Floyds slips punches by fractions that most times you can only see in slow motion , a slight turn of the head and all the power is taken of it .

Floyd will beat Pac with ease it wont be a hard fight for him .

[TheAlmighty]

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda, But you didn't...

[studentofthegam]

I think Victor would have had chances to hurt Floyd, there's little doubt in my mind about that. Floyd wasn't too comfortable in there against the ropes, I think. He may have been catching Victor in the middle of the ring, but that's not where all of the fight would have been. Having said that, Victor got ******, and paid for it. Too bad the fight ended so soon.

As for you, "DIESEL" - the guy was most likely questioned about this topic by a reporter. Was he supposed to not answer, just to please nasty morons such as yourself? Think what you say.

Question! When was the last time an opponent of Mayweather had a better chance in the late rounds? Answer: never. You cant plan for FLoyd to tire. If that was Danny's plan then it was shot from the beginning. Does nobody remember the Hatton fight. I sat in a room full of Floyd haters that oooooed and ahhhed evertime Ricky charged. I laughed and around the 7th round I said "Hatton is done". We all saw what happen. I collected my money from sad faces. Thats why Floyd tells these commentators "They dont know **** about boxing". The first few rounds this is always the statement: "Floyd's looking a little uncomfortable". It never changes the result.

[studentofthegam]

Dude, your just hugging the hell out of Mayweather's balls.

Victor won at least ONE round. Even if you don't think he won 3 rounds. He at the very least won ONE round. Or did you not see Floyd's head get knocked back multiple times?

Really, that's not even the point though. The fact is. Victor's game plan was getting to Floyd. He found a home for that left hook. Hell, he revealed the weakness to Floyd's shoulder roll and it has nothing to do with the jab. Victor simply wasn't fast enough, nor mentally capable of exploiting it.

If Pacquiao uses that game plan and exploits what Victor revealed in Floyd's defense. I don't think Floyd would win.

You probably didn't even see it. It's there and I saw it. Pacquiao has the speed and power to exploit it. Add that he doesn't stand completely still and right in the face of opponents like dumbass Ortiz did. It's even worse for Floyd.

Floyd would be in for hell if he tried to fight like that against Pacquiao. He'd have to hit and run to beat Pacquiao because standing his ground and countering Pacquiao is gonna fail. That is, if Pacquiao and Roach seen the weakness and exploit it.

That's not huggin. Thats what happened. Which part do you disagree with hater? Very fair analysis.

[Carpe Diem]

Dude, your just hugging the hell out of Mayweather's balls.

Victor won at least ONE round. Even if you don't think he won 3 rounds. He at the very least won ONE round. Or did you not see Floyd's head get knocked back multiple times?

Really, that's not even the point though. The fact is. Victor's game plan was getting to Floyd. He found a home for that left hook. Hell, he revealed the weakness to Floyd's shoulder roll and it has nothing to do with the jab. Victor simply wasn't fast enough, nor mentally capable of exploiting it.

If Pacquiao uses that game plan and exploits what Victor revealed in Floyd's defense. I don't think Floyd would win.

You probably didn't even see it. It's there and I saw it. Pacquiao has the speed and power to exploit it. Add that he doesn't stand completely still and right in the face of opponents like dumbass Ortiz did. It's even worse for Floyd.

Floyd would be in for hell if he tried to fight like that against Pacquiao. He'd have to hit and run to beat Pacquiao because standing his ground and countering Pacquiao is gonna fail. That is, if Pacquiao and Roach seen the weakness and exploit it.

I agree with some of the things that you points out, but Floyd wasn't completely standing still as you trying to put it. Manny would have landed his straight left hand and left hook at few times during the fight, but i don't think he would've landed it at a consistent basis for 12 rounds. The way Floyd stood his ground is completely different than how some of Manny's previous opponents stood their ground against Manny.

Manny definitely has the speed and power to exploit it, but Floyd doesn't completely stand his ground still as you put it. There were times during the fight Floyd stood completely still and threw punches, but only because Ortiz wasn't ready nor expected Floyd to threw anything in close range as he did. I do agree that Manny will have more success against Floyd if he fight Manny using the same strategy that he used to fought Ortiz, but i still think he can win against Manny using that same style[using more side-steps and range spacing] because he doesn't stand as closely enough in front of his opponents after he land his punches compared to other pressure Boxers.

[Carpe Diem]

I think Khan would give Floyd problems if they fight. Unlike Manny, he has the reach to land his punches effectively at long range by using good movement, and he's an accurate jabber. But he doesn't have Manny's chin, so eventually he would lose.

[Champ Is Here]

I think Khan would give Floyd problems if they fight. Unlike Manny, he has the reach to land his punches effectively at long range by using good movement, and he's an accurate jabber. But he doesn't have Manny's chin, so eventually he would lose.

Everybody think someone will give him problems till around round 7 them right hands start to damage their faces

[sebastianb7312]

OH No! Not this guys again! I thought we were finished with this non sense! Dude u maybe one a single round! Stop embarassing urself and ur team! U tried, infact 42 have tried and u failed! Its OK chica! Lol! Let it go! Let it go! U still can fight Khan, rematch Berto, or maybe Maidana again! Just take ur defeat like a man and move on! U just were outclassed! Maybe nxt time! LOL!

[BoriBlaze1]

Ortiz was on his way to winning this fight! The fight was pretty much even. But he lost the fight himself for being a ***** and trying to hug and kiss Mayweather. I would not pay to watch the rematch! I was robbed of a good fight! Mayweather with his sucker punch , Cortez should be fired he sucks as a Ref! And Ortiz straight *****! **** the Apology ! KO his ass out! Then after the fight he laughing about it!! F-That! Mayweather needs to Fight Pacquiao or Retire boxing doesn't need him!!

[GRUSTLER]

I agree with some of the things that you points out, but Floyd wasn't completely standing still as you trying to put it. Manny would have landed his straight left hand and left hook at few times during the fight, but i don't think he would've landed it at a consistent basis for 12 rounds. The way Floyd stood his ground is completely different than how some of Manny's previous opponents stood their ground against Manny.

Manny definitely has the speed and power to exploit it, but Floyd doesn't completely stand his ground still as you put it. There were times during the fight Floyd stood completely still and threw punches, but only because Ortiz wasn't ready nor expected Floyd to threw anything in close range as he did. I do agree that Manny will have more success against Floyd if he fight Manny using the same strategy that he used to fought Ortiz, but i still think he can win against Manny using that same style[using more side-steps and range spacing] because he doesn't stand as closely enough in front of his opponents after he land his punches compared to other pressure Boxers.

Here's the reason why I think Manny doesn't stand a chance.

1. Floyd has the size and longer reach than Manny.

2. Floyd is the most accurate fighter in the sport and Manny gets hit fairly easy.

3. Floyd is the best defensive fighter in the sport and is very elusive. Manny has no defensive game plan and could not even catch and cut off Shane.

4. Manny is at times off balance and throws punches in a wild way (I saw it during the Clottey fight)

5. Pac is fast but Mayweather is pretty fast himself, so Pac won't have a big advantage in the speed department.

6. People keep talking about Pac's power but his damage is done over the course of the fight as he connects. Floyd is known not to be hit much and if so he can take a hit, recover and finish strong (Mosley fight). Pac would have to keep hitting Floyd and as much as people think he will. I just don't see that happening.

7. Pac has good conditioning and so does Mayweather. Pac won't have the luxury of thinking Mayweather will tire or get worse as the fight goes on.

Conclusion: I just don't see anything Pac does that can supersede Mayweather in the ring technically. Pac's biggest attribute is his speed but Floyd has that going for him too. I think Pac's power is overrated. Sure he can hit but the last person he officially put out with one punch is Ricky Hatton. Pac has to hit Mayweather often to damage him and I would bet all my points on that not happening. Also factoring in that Freddie Roach has already gone on record as saying that Floyd is totally different then all Pac's opponents and he has to make Pac see what he sees inorder to beat him while Floyd adjusts during the fight.

Roach has to change Pac's style up that has been successful for him all these years. IF this fight ever happens (which I think it won't) Floyd beats Manny Pacquiao and gets him out of their around the 10th/11th rd (corner stoppage). Manny just gets hit too much for my taste and Floyd just hits opponents too much very accurately. Pac fans don't get mad at me and call me names because this is strictly my analytical outlook of the two as fighters. You can believe that Pac would win and Floyd fans can believe the same thing. Totally up to you but I'm sure Pac gets beat by Floyd.