Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz Trainer: We Would Have Beaten Mayweather

[Sugar Q]

The smartest thing Ortiz did was get out of that fight because he can fight another day now. Why risk further damage. I think this is Garcia's version of PR, Bad PR I might add but Victor is still in a very good position. If I was him I would be calling out Berto, Mosley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana, etc. He can still win a title and go after Manny which would put him right back in the ring with Floyd in a mega fight.

[gayfish]

ortiz had his chance. pity floyd needed to cheat. wouldve been a 2/10 if floyd won without cheating.

[GRUSTLER]

lol...i scored round 2 for ortiz and round 4 was a toss up before the cheap ko so i dont really get that" it was a shut out fight for floyd BS".... what it proved in that fight to me is that floyd gets hit a lot easier vs southpaws and that ortiz is an idiot....

Yeah but they still get dominated. My thing is, if Ortiz felt like he was having any kind of success then he would have never fouled Mayweather.

[amayseng]

Shane at least clearly won a rd and hurt May,Ortiz did neither and was getting hurt in the 4th which is why he got dirty..Ortiz was outclassed and imo on his way to being stopped anyway...

I love Shane but after round 2 he barely landed anything

and Floyd dominated in every aspect


In round 4 Ortiz landed a combo with a right

hook landing sending Floyd into the ropes

with his knees dipping out.


Floyd was winning overall but Ortiz had moments.

[SCEN3RY]

Ortiz was getting outclassed. You think the first four rounds were bad? Just imagine what Mayweather would do after these round. Mayweather usually starts to dominate in the 2nd half of the fight.

usually...the problem is people say it with such surety. If 4 rounds reflect 12, then Zab Judah has 2 losses...one of which when he was considerably past it. At the end of the day, it was an entertaining fight with a less than befitting ending...leaving fans pondering an outcome that we could have easily received, both fighters to blame.

[4Corners]

This guy is getting more delusional by the day. He's nowhere near the trainer his brother is, FACTS.

Also, round 1 was Mayweather, he landed 9 to 5 and landed the harder shots. Round 2 was a toss up. Mayweatehr landed 13 power shots to Ortiz' 8. I scored it even. Round 3 was completely all Mayweather. Round 4, Mayweather was winning the round. You don't get out landed 22-9 before the headbutt and win the round. Just because Ortiz got Floyd on the ropes twice in the last minute, and managed to land 3-4 punches, doesn't mean he was winning the round. Why else do you think he headbutted him???

This guy is saying the first 4-5 rounds is the BEST MAYWEATHER???? Actually it's the last 7 or 8 rounds that are the best Mayweather, and it's usually the first 5-6 rounds that are the BEST ORTIZ. I defy anyone to not agree with that.

The fact is that Mayweather came off a 16 month layoff, at 34 years old, and out landed Victor by like 50 punches so far through just 4 rounds. Mayweather landed 9 punches in the first round, and than he averaged 21 landed punches through rounds 2-4. Ortiz landed 6 punches per round...yeah he was really winning the fight. It wasn't total domination, but what'd you expect??? Ortiz is 24, in his prime, all time high in confidence coming off big wins, out weighed Floyd by 14 lbs. Considering all that. I'd say Mayweather did fairly well in 4 rounds.

If Ortiz' trainer really believes the first 4-5 rounds are the best Mayweather, clearly he never paid too much attention to other Mayweather fights, forgot that Floyd was just off 16 months, and is clearly just saying that for more excuses for Ortiz.

Ortiz had his shot. He needs to bounce back like he did before, and beat some top people to get his stOck back up. Go beat Berto again, or push hard for a fight with Khan next year, or fight a Maidana rematch. Even go and fight Devon Alexander, he's a good fighter in his prime. Saying, "I was just warming up, Mayweather was done and I was coming on" is complete BULLS**t. Everyone knows Ortiz comes out fast and Mayweather comes out slow...and Mayweather still was clearly winning the fight and had won 3 out of 4 rounds, with the 2nd being relatively even.

De La Hoya, Ortiz, and Garcia are turning into jokes to be honest. If Victor wanted it so bad, why'd he smile after he just got knocked out whent he ref resumed action??? He smiles everytime he wants out of a fight....we saw the SAME EXACT SMILE after he quit versus Maidana. That's something Robert Garcia is right about with Victor. The guy doesn't have "IT".

[radioraheem]

lol...i scored round 2 for ortiz and round 4 was a toss up before the cheap ko so i dont really get that" it was a shut out fight for floyd BS".... what it proved in that fight to me is that floyd gets hit a lot easier vs southpaws and that ortiz is an idiot....

Floyd won every round, especially the fourth. At best, there are some who gave round 2 to Ortiz. But those of you are in the minority on that round. But to go ahead and say the fourth round too? After the headbutt Ortiz did out of frustration as he missing punches like crazy, he got deducted a full point. Right or wrong? And how many seconds was left on the clock? And this is before the KO. After being deducted a full point with little left on the clock, how in the world you have the balls to say round 4 was a toss up is insanity at its best.

And Floyd doesn't get hit a lot easier versus southpaws. The difference is that, whenever Floyd chooses to fight more toe to toe, he gets hit more. Which is something that should obviously happen when you take on more risk like that.

Mosley hurt Mayweather much more in just a single round, than Ortiz did in 4 rounds. And yet what does that say? Hatton hit Floyd more within the first 4 rounds too. And what does that say? After every Floyd win, we always hear "oh he shoulda, he coulda, woulda, shoulda, coulda, woulda" talks.

[twosweethooks]

AS stated before, I have watched this fight over and over in Slow motion. Garcia is CORRECT !! My favorite announcers favored JR due to the speed of his punches looking like most connected but they DIDN'T !!

Jr on occasions missed by a mile and swung wildly.

Jr. lost the 2nd round.

The pitty pat punches that swarmed Ortiz in the 4 didn't land but on the gloves but maybe one punch.

ORTIZ landed some good shots on Jr.s bald head that gave him the 4th round outside of his ****** headbutt before the Cheap Shot.

The fight was just heating up good, its a shame to end the way it did.

The head butt should never have taken place and neither should the cheap shot.

I don't think Jr wants anymore of ORTIZ, those shots hurt Jr. Yes Ortiz is young but you can know he grew up in this fight !!!!! I hope Jr makes good on his promise to give the rematch. I think he knows that he will get his ass kicked so I don't look for the rematch.

[-Kev-]

Mayweather's at his worst in the first 4 rounds. He gets better and seperates himself in the scorecards as the fight goes on.

[richardt]

It's one thing if a masterboxer can't hurt the puncher, then the puncher has the chance but if the masterboxer is the one landing the more telling blows, and the puncher is not, it's game over. It's one thing to not be able to overcome a boxer's style, it is another thing to also not be able to overcome his power!!!