ODLH " I Would have beaten Mayweather and Pacquiao in my prime"

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Oscars prime is greater than either one of these guys. I'm not sure that equals victory because styles make fights but if I had to lay it down I'd say he beats both. Prime Oscar was beautiful. Great jab, good footwork, nice power he had it all.

this post makes me wanna puke...**** de la hoya

[bMak]

Am I the only on BS who thinks Pacquiao is smarter and better than 4 years ago?

It's so obvious to me, just the way he moves in the ring is better, Pac was fighting like a ****** at 130.

He looked smart against Cotto and Mosley, made no mistake, he's more patient.

I mean, that cat started boxing at 15 years old, so obviously he wasn't prime at 25, let alone 20 when he lost those 2 fights by ko.

I agree. Pacquiao has evolved as a fighter under Roach. He's obviously no defensive wizard or master tactician (and he doesn't need to be because what he does now works for him) but he's improved tactically by leaps and bounds.

[Brother Jay]

Am I the only on BS who thinks Pacquiao is smarter and better than 4 years ago?

It's so obvious to me, just the way he moves in the ring is better, Pac was fighting like a ****** at 130.

He looked smart against Cotto and Mosley, made no mistake, he's more patient.

I mean, that cat started boxing at 15 years old, so obviously he wasn't prime at 25, let alone 20 when he lost those 2 fights by ko.

Or could it be that Manny's just the naturally smaller guy and therefore more nimble and quick than his WW opponents. Its no mystery as to why he chooses to face plodders. Its just another way for Manny to gain another advantage. He drains down WWs while maintaining his natural quickness.

Secondly ...lol, prime isn't when your skills are at their best. Prime is when you are at the peak of your physical best. It after the onset of puberty at 13 and before your body starts declining in the production of testosterone at 35. Manny was in his prime when everyone else is.

[champion4ever]

This subject is a very debatable and controversial one. However, there's the strong possibility that ODLH may be right on both points; Especially in regards to Manny Pacquiao. There's no doubt in my mind, that he easily defeats Manny Pacquiao in his prime because all the physical tools will be in his favor. He was naturally larger and stronger of the two boxers, with better boxing skills who possessed great punching power. On the other hand, Mayweather is an entire different discussion. First, let me say that I thought he fought very valiantly in his fight against Floyd. Also, I believe he was winning the fight up until he ran into some stamina issues later in the bout. For example, he was beating him to the punch all night long; Especially with the jab and because of it, nearly pulled off the upset. The reason being is for the simple fact that he was the busier and more active of the two boxers. That is and still remains today the main key ingredient in defeating Mayweather; Unless you are able to knock him out and since he has a very low punch volume, is out punch him and get your punches off first. They don't all have to land but at least De La Hoya was able to successfully implement this strategy for the first two thirds of their fight and almost came up victoriously. The bigger question is whether he could have pulled it off in his prime is a very controversial one? Unless one could deduce that styles make fights. Then yes, there's the remote possibilty of him defeating Mayweather. However on the flip side, wasn't Oscar De La Hoya also in his prime, when a blown up lightweight by the name of Sugar Shane Mosley moved up twelve pounds and defeated him back in 2000; At that time arguably his first and only genuine loss of his career? Then likewise, one can similarly easily deduce, that if Oscar couldn't defeat a lightweight, in Sugar Shane Mosley, who was coming up to welterweight to challenge him for his title, then how could he be so sure that he could have defeated Floyd Mayweather; A fighter that even Shane Mosley couldn't beat, who had already defeated Oscar twice.

[Check_hooks]

Pacquiao would never lose to a cross dressing ***g0t

Floyd on the other hand claims to be the son of a ***g0t so its much more likely and he got a gift split decision in his prime against him

[PunchesNbuncheS]

Am I the only on BS who thinks Pacquiao is smarter and better than 4 years ago?

It's so obvious to me, just the way he moves in the ring is better, Pac was fighting like a ****** at 130.

He looked smart against Cotto and Mosley, made no mistake, he's more patient.

I mean, that cat started boxing at 15 years old, so obviously he wasn't prime at 25, let alone 20 when he lost those 2 fights by ko.

Nah man, not at all. I know Pac has improved and I can clearly see that hes a better fighter than he was 4 years ago but when the opponent doesnt lend himself and participate with what he prefers (which are offensive minded fighters who go to him with little movement) he tends to revert to looking like he did back in the day, when he lunged in recklessly and was off balance. Look at the Mosley fight for proof. Mosley kept turning him to his right like Marquez did back then and Pac looked like the old Pac again. Yeah I know Mosley didnt do **** to take advantage of all the counterpunching opportunities Pac gave him but Mosley is shot and was weary of engaging.

Cottos jab was really bothering Pac in the beginning of the fight and Cottos defense was also bothering Pac but Cotto has always had a so so chin and I knew he wouldnt take the shots well, where as ODLH had a great chin and a better longer, faster crisper jab and better defense than Cotto and that was a recent Pac fight.

I will agree with you that he is more patient now a days but his patience has not improved dramatically, he still gets reckless and off balance when he is being boxed instead of being engaged. Please go watch the Mosley fight and tell me that Pac didnt make any mistakes. Sure, he didnt pay for them but he made plenty of mistakes.

[Heeb]

I don't see DLH beating Mayweather.

I think a fight with him and Pac is interesting. I would favor Pacquiao though because I think he'd steal rounds late in the fight.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Im' not sure, Mosley was old when he fought Floyd and Manny, but I don't think a younger, faster, fresher version of Mosley is enough to beat those two beasts.

Let's keep it real, people talk about Floyd being a fraud and Pacquiao a bum.

Pacquiao won 12 rounds against Clottey and Mosley, made those two warriors look like quiters.

He ruined Margo and Cotto(current 154 WBA Champ).


Floyd is undefeted through 5 weight classes (ok he ducked but that's still impressives).

Trinidad looked like a bum against Winky (who never really impressed me) and made Oscar look like Ray Robinson (and Lance Amstrong in the last rounds ok).
I can see Floyd outboxing him and Pacquiao who is way faster and busy outboxing Tito.

No offense but all that is irrelevant . For example, what does shutting down Clottey or that version of Mosley have to do with fighting a prime Oscar, Tito, Shane? Same with being undefeated through 5 weight divisions, or looking average against Winky, what does any of that have to do with what I just brought up?

I'm not even trying to diss, they're both great fighters but unlike you (No offense) I'm not caught up in that hype. Just grab a prime Trinidad, Oscar, Quartey, Mosley and tell me they wouldn't look more impressive against Mayweather or Pacquiao's last 4 opponents. That's just being real...

[RINGG]

I'm sure he would have beat Mayweather, but he never would have gotten Mayweather to fight him in his prime.

[Brother Jay]

This subject is a very debatable and controversial one. However, there's the strong possibility that ODLH may be right on both points; Especially in regards to Manny Pacquiao. There's no doubt in my mind, that he easily defeats Manny Pacquiao in his prime because all the physical tools will be in his favor. He was naturally larger and stronger of the two boxers, with better boxing skills who possessed great punching power. On the other hand, Mayweather is an entire different discussion. First, let me say that I thought he fought very valiantly in his fight against Floyd. Also, I believe he was winning the fight up until he ran into some stamina issues later in the bout. For example, he was beating him to the punch all night long; Especially with the jab and because of it, nearly pulled off the upset. The reason being is for the simple fact that he was the busier and more active of the two boxers. That is and still remains today the main key ingredient in defeating Mayweather; Unless you are able to knock him out and since he has a very low punch volume, is out punch him and get your punches off first. They don't all have to land but at least De La Hoya was able to successfully implement this strategy for the first two thirds of their fight and almost came up victoriously. The bigger question is whether he could have pulled it off in his prime is a very controversial one? Unless one could deduce that styles make fights. Then yes, there's the remote possibilty of him defeating Mayweather. However on the flip side, wasn't Oscar De La Hoya also in his prime, when a blown up lightweight by the name of Sugar Shane Mosley moved up twelve pounds and defeated him back in 2000; At that time arguably his first and only genuine loss of his career? Then likewise, one can similarly easily deduce, that if Oscar couldn't defeat a lightweight, in Sugar Shane Mosley, who was coming up to welterweight to challenge him for his title, then how could he be so sure that he could have defeated Floyd Mayweather; A fighter that even Shane Mosley couldn't beat, who had already defeated Oscar twice.

Oh I believe that DLH in his prime would have beaten Pacquiao without a doubt .. especially if there was no catchweight.

I do not believe that DLH would have beaten Floyd. Your account of the fight is inaccurate. DLH was NOT outlanding Floyd. DLH was NOT beating Floyd to the punch throughout the fight.

You wrote that the problem was that DLH encountered some stamina issues later on in the fight. Is the 4th round late in the fight? Because that's when Floyd took over.

DLH was effective in the first 3 rounds with his jab. Then he started getting countered. DLH outweighed Floyd by 20+lbs, so it was only natural that he would bully Floyd until Floyd came up with an answer.

DLH was ONLY effective throughout the fight when he pinned Floyd on the ropes. And Floyd began spinning out of those exchanges.

If DLH would have come in at 147lbs and tried to fight Floyd the way he did every other fight he had at that weight, he would have got a loss. He would have gotten easily outboxed.

Mosley was able to nullify DLH's offense toe to toe, and Mosley never had the skill that Floyd has. Shane is a powerboxer, not a defensive wiz. DLH would have attempted to exchange with Floyd and left himself open for plenty of countershots.

DLH was never know for speed. DLH was never known for power. And DLH was never known for defense. DLH was known as a Mexican who could actually box without having to get beat up in the process. Same with Marquez. The difference is that Marquez is more of a technician .. while DLH was more of a boxer/puncher.

I said it before and I'll say it again: When a boxer doubles the connect percentage of his opponent and there are no knockdowns or knockouts in the fight, the story got told right there in the numbers.

DLH got dominated.

But only a real student of the game knows that. No one doubles their opponent's connect percentage and its a close fight. NO ONE give up 20lbs to an opponent outside of the HW division and wins. Yet Floyd did.

If Pacquiao is Floyd's equal, why doesn't he rematch DLH while coming in at 142 and let DLH come in at 165lbs? Could Pacquiao win under those circumstances? I seriously doubt it. Pacquiao stipulated that DLH come in at 145lbs.

So let's not kid ourselves here.