How badly would a defeat to Ortiz affect Mayweather ATG standing.

[D4thincarnation]

But lets be real here. Leonard lost because he fought ******ly, not because Duran was better. Duran is a great fighter but Leonard didn't use his advantages. Floyd would never fight like that.

Duran was better, he outboxed and out fought SRL.

Leonard then rushed a rematch and Duran who had ballooned up over 200lbs was servilely weight drained and dehydrated and that showed by the cramps he suffered during the fight.

SRL did not want another fight till he sure Duran was past it because he knew a fit and focused Duran beats him

[AntonTheMeh]

for me, it would actually put him where you have him currently. I've got him outside of the top 10 at the moment. a victory over pac puts him in the top ten, maybe top 5, for me atleast.

[The Big Dunn]

Duran was better, he outboxed and out fought SRL.

Leonard then rushed a rematch and Duran who had ballooned up over 200lbs was servilely weight drained and dehydrated and that showed by the cramps he suffered during the fight.

SRL did not want another fight till he sure Duran was past it because he knew a fit and focused Duran beats him

I am no fan of SRL. I think he fought a ****** fight. He fought Duran's fight and deserved to lose. He shouldn't have lost to Duran plain and simple. But hubris kills even the greatest warriors.

[D4thincarnation]

yea, pick n choose names off of a list to make ur point ur a tool dude. and u make absolutely no sense. now tarver is an a level fighter? lmao. roy had no business losing to either of those guys. but of course, it doesnt fit ur agenda so u'll make **** up.

Floyd only fought the tough fights at SF and Castillo and even those names don't match up to Hopkins and Toney.

Floyd's best win at welter is Judah so if Ortiz beats him Floyd, then that the best level Floyd got to, a bit better than Judah.

[Megamasterking]

u cant judge a fighters resume on him not fighting ppl u think can beat him. that doesnt make sense. who the hell could beat a prime rjj. i guarantee u he was favored over every single fighter hes ever fought up until about 4 yrs ago. u think shane could have beat floyd in his prime? well i dont agree. i dont think shane could have ever beaten floyd. he never had the tools or the intelligence to do it. see what i did there? so what other styles?? margarito? cotto? its all subjective. u can judge a fighter on what might have happened, it makes no sense.

The question is about losing to Ortiz, he won't lose to him... but if he get his ass whoop by that average guy, then my point make sense. I'm not the one making this thread, i'm only trying to answer a question that has less than 1% chance of happening.

[Kagami Taiga]

Floyd only fought the tough fights at SF and Castillo and even those names don't match up to Hopkins and Toney.

Floyd's best win at welter is Judah so if Ortiz beats him Floyd, then that the best level Floyd got to, a bit better than Judah.

smh....ur reasoning makes no sense. so u ignore pare of a guys career because it suits u? and then u say judah is his best win past castillo? do u even know what ur talking about?

mosely, hatton, dlh at 154 are all better wins than judah.

[D4thincarnation]

smh....ur reasoning makes no sense. so u ignore pare of a guys career because it suits u? and then u say judah is his best win past castillo? do u even know what ur talking about?

mosely, hatton, dlh at 154 are all better wins than judah.

Mosley (17 months ring rust, over trained and 38) NO
Hatton (a 140 guy, struggled at 147lbs, come forward face first fighter) NO
Oscar (part time boxer, timing had gone just come out of retirement to fight Mayorga who makes Hatton look like Locche) NO

You know and I know RRJJ destroyed some great names in boxing, Floyd just avoided them.

So if he were to lose he falls much more that RJJ.

Same as if Ottke would have lost to Lacy.

Because Ottke had not fought anyone of great note, his ranking falls significantly, not that he is rated very high at the moment mind you.

[D4thincarnation]

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The question is about losing to Ortiz, he won't lose to him... but if he get his ass whoop by that average guy, then my point make sense. I'm not the one making this thread, i'm only trying to answer a question that has less than 1% chance of happening.

Yes he shouldn't lose to Ortiz, but if he did then you would have to think have we all been overrated Mayweather.

He would fall quite considerably unless he redeemed himself in other fights.

A loss to Pacquiao he will fall but by not a lot because Pacquiao is truly a great fighter and there would be no shame in losing that fight, I would applaud Floyd for even taking the challenge.

[BattlingNelson]

even if u dont have a list, theres no way u can consider a fighter who has went undefeated in 5 different weight classes, possesses 3 lineal titles, won his first world title at 21, fought and beat a number of p4p ranked fighters and one of the greatest fighters of the new millennial not to be an atg. thats not pedestrian. thats not average, thats easily exceptional.

Floyds main body of work was done below 147. After that there's a lot left to be desired. And who really gives a ***** about how many weightdivisions or lineal titles he has had? What matters is who he fought and those he didnt fight because everybody knows that Baldomir was a joke. Lineal title or not. Same with JMM at WW. P4p fighter or not. Etc.

I'd think that you could find 50 fighters greater than Floyd between 126 and 175. There's just so many.

[Kagami Taiga]

Mosley (17 months ring rust, over trained and 38) NO
Hatton (a 140 guy, struggled at 147lbs, come forward face first fighter) NO
Oscar (part time boxer, timing had gone just come out of retirement to fight Mayorga who makes Hatton look like Locche) NO

You know and I know RRJJ destroyed some great names in boxing, Floyd just avoided them.

So if he were to lose he falls much more that RJJ.

Same as if Ottke would have lost to Lacy.

Because Ottke had not fought anyone of great note, his ranking falls significantly, not that he is rated very high at the moment mind you.

lmao look at ur excuses. u just ****ed mccullum and griffen as some of roys top wins. really?

mccullum was at his prime at 154, not 160. he had a close fight with toney at 160, after that he did absolutely nothing at the weight. he lost to toney in the second fight by wide decision and by the time roy ofught him he was very past it. that win is not better than any of the above mentioned wins. u bring down ricky hattion,for being a 140 fighter, but u include mccullum who fought wayyyyy north of his prime weight classs? u bring down shane mosely but u include mccullum who had achieved nothing going into the roy fight and was not even ranked highly at all and was probably even more past it than shane against a rjj that was wayyyy more prime than floyd?

u include griffin on the list but what is griffin's claim to fame? he won 2 controversial decisions over james toney. the fiirst fight was close, i gave it to toney barely. the 2nd fight was arguably a robbery. griffin went on to achieve nothing else in his career besides a dq win over roy. but hes suddenly this win thats better than hatton? riiiite. better than dlh? nope. better than a p4p #3 mosely? nope.

like i said, u have no idea wtf ur talking about.