Prime Roy Jones Jr>>>>>>> Prime Sugar Ray Robinson

[Larry the boss]

at 160 roy beats him,to fast to strong to agile...

[Larry the boss]

You're the cecond person whom I have seen post that Robinson had to cut weight to make 154. You are completely wrong. There was NO 154 division then, and the only times that Robinson was around that weight was when he was either fighting middleweights or welterweights, depending on his training.


In thinkg I DID just notice and ican't understand why I never saw it before, or didn't remember it. When Robinson LOST his middleweight title to Randolph Turpin to make his record 132-2, he had fought a fight in Europe just a week before, and another one just the week before that.

I recall that Robinson went on a "tour" of Europe fighting all their top guys ending up in England with his Turpin fight. I recall that he said that he was keeping in training by fighting and didn't need a camp. Well he paid for it, but of course KO'd Tturpin in the return.

not true 154 was recognized back in 1962

[Larry the boss]

But didn't Robinson already lose in his prime?

robinson was 40-0 when he lost his first fight at WELTERWEIGHT to Lamotta and won 92 straight after that.after his 2nd loss he was 132-2.....picture that

[Larry the boss]

Regarding the heat information, I think you're right. But for some reason, I thought the 1 fight Lamotta won against him, it was by stoppage?

no robinson was never ko'd...amazing

[-Kev-]

All jokes aside, I seriously think a prime Roy Jones, 1992-2001[I don't think he was really prime in 02-03 he just peaked], would beat anybody. I'm talking about absolutely unstoppable. I mean the way he beat Hopkins, Toney and McCallum so easily, that's just incredible.

[Larry the boss]

All jokes aside, I seriously think a prime Roy Jones, 1992-2001[I don't think he was really prime in 02-03 he just peaked], would beat anybody. I'm talking about absolutely unstoppable. I mean the way he beat Hopkins, Toney and McCallum so easily, that's just incredible.

Prime Roy was a great athlete but Lets be real the Hopkins he beat then isnt the Hopkins from the Tito fight or the 1 we see now..Yea he beat Toneys ass no dis*****g that...he was a great fighter but beat anyone????that can be debated..but he was a sight to see

[BoxingGenius27]

robinson was 40-0 when he lost his first fight at WELTERWEIGHT to Lamotta and won 92 straight after that.after his 2nd loss he was 132-2.....picture that

So he has lost in his prime?

[Larry the boss]

So he has lost in his prime?

At ww to Jake Lamotta yea.......but back then they fought every other week so its amazing to end up 132-1

[BoxingGenius27]

Prime Roy was a great athlete but Lets be real the Hopkins he beat then isnt the Hopkins from the Tito fight or the 1 we see now..Yea he beat Toneys ass no dis*****g that...he was a great fighter but beat anyone????that can be debated..but he was a sight to see

The Roy that lost to Hopkins, Calzaghe, Tarver, Ledbev, and Green isn't remotely close to the Roy of 1989-2004. For starters, just look at the way Roy moves. In his older fights, Roy was never stationary and let someone beat on him against the ropes.

One way to judge fighters is this:

1. Look at a fighters last 10 fights.

Apply this concept to when Roy and Bhop fought the first time and second time. Both were on winning streaks the first time around whereas Roy was on a losing streak the second time around.

[BoxingGenius27]

At ww to Jake Lamotta yea.......but back then they fought every other week so its amazing to end up 132-1

No doubt, 132-1 is amazing. You can count on it not being done again.

But this was during a time when fighters didn't scout each other with footage like they do today.