Was lennox Lewis the last Great Heavy weight?

[edgarg]

It gets very tiresome having to state this stuff over and over again, but if we say nothing they get to romp and that seems not on either.

CHOPPER You are NOT KIDDING, I tell you. Do you recall all the "learned" posters after the fight who were publishing sketches from Gray's Anatomy tracing the paths of the various nerves serving the eyelids. It was a howl, but this went on for many days. And then, of course, like everything lese, it just went away and all the dumbo'sm on here just forgot about it, and calmed down, until the next, unsubstantiated accusation or rumour erupted, giving them another field day.

What a way to have to live, to get your pleasure from making up lies and passing on rumours as facts etc. What sort of respect could such a person have for himself???

Yet, there is a great deal about the Klitschkos that I like and I don't like to see them maligned with no defenders, although, come to think of it, since they would never remotely be bothered to read this site, likely don't even know it exists, they don't know what these little people who don't matter, say.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Lewis was hated and derided as "boring" almost as often as the Klitschkos are now when he was fighting, including in the UK, where he wasn't truly accepted until he retired. His condition against Vitali was par for the course for him and nothing unusual. And he was described as being in his "prime" the year before when he beat Tyson -- that's a very rapid decline he experienced.

Lewis was scoring a lot of KO's so i honestly never knew what they were talking about. I think they were just saying that because he wasn't as "ferocious" as Tyson, Holyfield and some of the other names that were surrounding him at the time. He scored KO's but was calculated when he did it. Did you see the Mercer fight? The Bruno fight? They were anything but boring. He never won any boring decisions and was a lot more explosive than today's heavyweights.

And Lewis's prime was actually around the Grant, Holyfield and Botha fights. By the time he had fought Vitali, he had already been established as one of the greatest heavyweights( had beaten everyone he'd fought and had reigned for years) and had just got through with making a movie (Oceans 11). The Kirk Johnson fight was only suppose to be a farewell fight and he was no where near in the kind of shape that he'd been in his hay day. Lewis was known for not taking certain fighters seriously (ahem, Rachman 1) so its no surprise.

[edgarg]

Lennox was older, fatter and fairly fortunate.

If it wasn’t for the fact that half of Vitalis face was hanging off, he would have left with a loss.

Prime 4 prime, Lennox wins.

Which half of his face was "hanging off'. Was it the half with the not dangerous eyebrow gash, plus an under eye bruise with a couple of razor thin "paper" cuts, none of which was a hindrance, or was it the half on which there was no mark at all?

Just curious. I'd surely remember a face "hanging off".....Ugh.

Or perhaps you should learn not to exaggerate and make up hyperbolic scenarios to suit your mood.

[edgarg]

I've never understood people's reasoning when making comments relating to this

Do people think these cuts just magically appeared or something?

They were caused by punches so why the complaints? If they were due to butts then fine, complain away, but the fact that Lennox mashed Vitali's face up with shots means this type of argument hasn't got a leg to stand on IMO

Vitali was winning the fight, no doubts there, but people go on like he was robbed, when the truth is Vitali is lucky it was stopped, he could have left that fight with SERIOUS injuries

What sort of "serious injuries"?? A caved in skull, or just a little more bleeding from the insignificant cuts???

[slicksouthpaw16]

Which half of his face was "hanging off'. Was it the half with the not dangerous eyebrow gash, plus an under eye bruise with a couple of razor thin "paper" cuts, none of which was a hindrance, or was it the half on which there was no mark at all?

Just curious. I'd surely remember a face "hanging off".....Ugh.

Or perhaps you should learn not to exaggerate and make up hyperbolic scenarios to suit your mood.

Something like this

[Brother Jay]

Simply bias and untruthfully speculative post. Lewis is greater than both Tyson and Holyfield imo. Lewis also chased after the big fights throughout his career he was avoided and side stepped was Bowe an old man when he trashed his belt to avoid Lewis?

Now I have a question would Tyson be considered great if it wasn’t for the media hype machine backing him and telling us all of ‘iron Mike the badest man on the planet?

I believe the answer is no, because he simply never achieved half as much as what the hype surrounding him suggested. In reality he never beat anyone who was that good.

If what you say is true, then why did Lewis even bother fighting Tyson?

Tyson wasn't active in boxing long frequently enough to work his way up through the ranks. Don King threw Tyson in there with soup cans to KO in order to justify his being in the ring with an active HW champion in Lewis at the point in which they met.

Everyone knew Mike had a puncher's chance but not much else. Mike had been slipping before he fought Buster Douglas.

So again, if Mike Tyson was such an overrated hype job, then why was it so important that Lewis fight him? Mike wasn't a mandatory. He certainly didn't fight often enough to be ranked the #1 challenger.

Lewis WANTED that fight just like STEWARD NEEDED that fight. If Lewis hadn't beaten Tyson and Holyfield for the name recognition, Lewis would have just been another HW who got knocked out by C & D fighters.

Those two matches MADE Lewis' legacy. I've watched Lewis rocked more times than a cradle during his career by C & D fighters. The guy was good for an era of old greats. Tyson and Holyfield were passed their primes before they met each other and before they fought Lewis. Tyson hadn't been "Iron" since Cus died.

Who are you kidding?

Lennox Lewis had little heart. Lewis took few chances and used his height and reach to stink out each match before his opponents tried something desperate to turn it all around and paid for it.

His style was simply to jab all night and slow dance cheek to cheek once his opponents got passed his jab.

I suggest that some people here watch Lewis' fights. They were all boring. The most exciting Lewis fight I ever saw was when his opponents took it TO HIM! Like Vitali Klitschko did. Like Holyfield did.

Take those two wins away and his resume doesn't look much better than Vlad Klitscho's own. And Vlad is hardly an ATG.

[Jedi Vader]

The same kind of shape he was often in for fights he got beat up in.

What does that say about Vitali if McCall and Rahman beat up Lewis in his prime and he couldn't do it when Lewis was finished.

It actually was NOT that bad a cut, was more of a y shaped gash, and was controlled from the 4th rd giving no problems thereafter. It was only the ****** doctor who said that "I asked him to look up and he couldn't his eyelid couldn't move. The ****** fool thought that Klitschko's eyelid nerves had been severed, making him effectively blind in one eye.

The fight was NOT stopped because of the eyebrow gash, which was not affecting anything. The doctor later gave a couple of other explanataions, i believe realising that he had made a mistake, because, as soon as Klitschko realised what was going on and that they'd stopped the fight he jumped to his feet BOTH EYES wide ope and blazing with fury. Telling..."I can zeee...I can zeee ver vell...". But by then it was too late and Lewis had been saved.

He showed his REAL common, unsportsman-like self in the after fight interview with larry merchant who pressed him on aVERY sort point. And for those who saw the Lewis PRE FIGHT interview, the result and the the post fight interview were just a big laugh and farce.

One who saw everything, was ME.....

Your 10 year old son comes home from school after playing contact sport and he carries the exact cuts that Vitali has. You're telling me that you'd say to him "Don't worry son, it's not that bad of a cut."



****** twat.

[Check_hooks]

If either Klitchko got a fully training camp they would destroy prime Lewis

[ChopperRead]

What does that say about Vitali if McCall and Rahman beat up Lewis in his prime and he couldn't do it when Lewis was finished.

I feel a sense of deja vu, like we've had this conversation many times before.

I guess that's because we have.

And since you're never going to see it the way I do and vice-versa, why bother?

[ChopperRead]

CHOPPER You are NOT KIDDING, I tell you. Do you recall all the "learned" posters after the fight who were publishing sketches from Gray's Anatomy tracing the paths of the various nerves serving the eyelids. It was a howl, but this went on for many days. And then, of course, like everything lese, it just went away and all the dumbo'sm on here just forgot about it, and calmed down, until the next, unsubstantiated accusation or rumour erupted, giving them another field day.

What a way to have to live, to get your pleasure from making up lies and passing on rumours as facts etc. What sort of respect could such a person have for himself???

Yet, there is a great deal about the Klitschkos that I like and I don't like to see them maligned with no defenders, although, come to think of it, since they would never remotely be bothered to read this site, likely don't even know it exists, they don't know what these little people who don't matter, say.

I agree. It does seem a shame to just let these haters slam them and make **** up about them, as they are fine athletes and classy people.

But it does get tiresome. The haters never get tired. Hate is like that.