Why Cotto is a future Hall-of-Famer

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  • jrosales13
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    #51
    Originally posted by Big Dunn
    He was widely viewed as a technically superior boxer who had a long run as an undefeated champion. Perhaps he could have moved up and faced some tougher fights. I may be wrong on this one.
    He had a long run as an undefeated champ. But, who did he face that would make his body of work better than Cotto? Have you compared their wins? Is it superior than Cotto? Is his accomplishments superior than Cotto?

    He did move up to beat Cazarez, who is/was a solid fighter. Still top rated till this day at 115. That's not enough to surpass Cotto in the resume department.

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      #52
      Originally posted by jrosales13
      I disagree, and I for one will be ordering it.

      It's not on the same level but look at Barrera-Morales III. Where both fighters had seen better days. One fighter was considered done and the other shop worn at that time. Just like how Marg is considered done and Cotto shop worn. But, it didn't stop Barrera-Morales third fight being entertaining and maybe their bad blood they had helped the entertainment value. Another one, Hearns-Leonard II was entertaining and both fighters had seen better days at the tail end of their careers. Now not saying Marg-Cotto II is on their level and they might be worse of than both.

      However, stylistically Cotto-Marg and considering that both are in the down slide so both are close the same level IMO it will make it very interesting....
      You made a damn good argument!! That is all I can say but we will see who is right. I will see a week after you do though. LOL

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        #53
        Originally posted by Brother Jay
        In the end, Cotto will be a HOF because as long as he's a loyal dog to Bob Arum, Arum will make sure that Cotto's legacy is exaggerated.

        As it is, Cotto shouldn't have been in line for a match against Pacquiao. Arum made that happen. Cotto did not really beat Clottey to those astute fans who watched the match. Arum made that happen. Arum set Cotto up to have a vacant title to lose to Pacquiao as well.

        Then Arum put Cotto in position to fight for a jrMW title. Cotto won.

        But here's the kicker:

        Why the fcuk is Cotto fighting Margarito at jrMW? I'll tell you why. Arum is taking care of his pets. Cotto has a shot at avenging his first loss. While Margarito has a shot at redemption. A win over Cotto at this point would legitimize Margarito's standings at this point in time and hopefully no one would remember that he tried to wear fist casts against Mosley.

        Still, a win over Margarito will do nothing in terms of value for Cotto's legacy, but the Top Rank spin-machine will make it seem as though Cotto just beat Ali.

        What peasants have totally missed is that Arum has exhausted all his WW chess pieces. So, in an effort to give the "new car smell" again, Arum's simply moved them up to jrMW to begin a new cycle of Top Rank tournaments starring Top Rank fighters! Watch for Clottey to make his jrMW debut if he ever comes back. Watch for Cintron to be in the mix as well.

        Go here: http://www.toprank.com/Fighters.dbml

        You'll see how smart Bob Arum is. He's got plenty of spare chess pieces to move around at 147, 154 and 160.

        As long as Cotto does as he's told, Arum will gladly take most of Cotto's money and get him matches for as long as Arum can sell a fight with Miguel in it. Then Miguel can retire as a HOF after having done virtually nothing thanks to his loyalty.

        BTW:

        Just because you fight the best, doesn't mean that you ARE the best. So I don't care who Cotto fought. Its who Cotto BEAT that matters and at what standing they were when he beat them.

        When you do the math under those guidelines Cotto ain't looking so hot is he?
        You're a terrible poster.

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          #54
          Originally posted by jrosales13
          He had a long run as an undefeated champ. But, who did he face that would make his body of work better than Cotto? Have you compared their wins? Is it superior than Cotto? Is his accomplishments superior than Cotto?

          He did move up to beat Cazarez, who is/was a solid fighter. Still top rated till this day at 115. That's not enough to surpass Cotto in the resume department.
          Fair points. Maybe I should've left Calderon off the list. I think we agree cotto isn't there yet.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Big Dunn
            Fair points. Maybe I should've left Calderon off the list. I think we agree cotto isn't there yet.
            Cotto is not a HOF'er. But, neither is Calderon his resume is too weak.

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            • Pin Galarga
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              #56
              Cotto was a good champion, but IMO became inmortal by raising back to the top overcoming one of the most brutal ring assaults of this days. I can't remember any other victim do in it like He did. He bounced right back like a real warrior.

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              • handwraps
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                #57
                Originally posted by Dandiez1
                Good post I agree his resume is insane. However, I think he needs to beat margarito in this rematch to cement his legacy. If he does that means his only loss would be to pacquiao who has been most dominant fighter since sugar ray in the 80s.
                i agree people on here dnt like him yet he has a better resume then floyd, and has koed some people that took floyd the distance. And keep in mind he did it with less talent then floyd.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by handwraps
                  i agree people on here dnt like him yet he has a better resume then floyd, and has koed some people that took floyd the distance. And keep in mind he did it with less talent then floyd.
                  Dude are you serious?

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                    #59
                    I believe he should be. He's one of the best and most respected fighters of this era.

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                    • LaMigra
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                      #60
                      Some people have a personality or look that simply draws hostility from others. Cotto has this type of quiet almost aloof persona that hurts feelings of those that wanna be smiled at an hugged. These are the type of fans that wanna pick Cotto apart and claim he sucks etc.


                      Any real boxing fan will understand that Cotto is a great fighter and certainly worthy of HOF status. His only losses are quite suspect * *

                      Steroids and plaster illegal for a reason.

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