P4P Is Dumb. Klitschko's Best 2 Boxers on the Planet. Fact.

[madsweeney]

if you care to read the thread, the discussion is under the assumption p4p is worthless and doesn't exist.

Oh he gets it, thats why Arreola > JCC, Sanchez, etc...he'd beat them all!

[jimmy1569]

whos greater Shaquille O'Neil or Micheal Jordan ??...GO AHEAD AN ACCEPT YOUR OWNAGE SON

Way to give me an example of the greatest athlete in world history being better than a great big man.. The point is shaq is a top 10 -15 alltime NBA great regardless of position.. he or Wilt WERE never ever penalized for being as dominant as they were.. MOST of there dominance was because they were bigger than everyone else... but if they didn't bring the shillset & the athleticism.. they might as well have been another Minute Bol OR GEorge Mhurason.. size helped them attain there advantage but what they did with it was the ultimate deciding factor.. chances are... if god made another 100 players there build.. they wouldn't come close to half there production.. same goes with the Klits.

[Barry Halls]

Oh he gets it, thats why Arreola > JCC, Sanchez, etc...he'd beat them all!

And under the stipulations of the thread, It's probably true.

I think It's a corny thread, but I can't imagine how people can't understand whats correct and makes a big fuss about it.

Noone argues salvador sanchez is greater or more skilled than Arreola. But the ts made the argument that p4p is ridiculous because the best fighter is always the guy who can beat everyone else.
No need for sarcasm, just state you(or whoever, not you personally) think it's a flawed way of looking at it instead of going on a tantrum.

[Barry Halls]

to break it down and make it real simple for everyone to follow.

When someone asks whos got the greatest chin in the history of the sport, most people would say Cobb, Chuvalo or Mccall.

If someone aks whos got the greatest chin p4p, the answer may be different.

When someone asks whos the biggest puncher in the history of the sport, someone would probably say Shavers or Foreman.

If someone asks whos the biggest puncher p4p, the answer may be different.

So why is it that people can't accept theres a big difference between whos the best period, and whos the best p4p? It scales with everything else, strength, punching power, chin etc.

[WladIsTheChamp]

p4p is for ******. Its dumb as hell. No other sport has p4p crap because it is a fantasy invention made up by ******s. You think Michael Phelps is p4p best swimmer? Do you know who the fastest 120 lbs swimmer is? I dont, no one does, cause no one gives a damn, fastest 120lb swimmer couldnt beat michael phelps...no one gets on the intraweb p4ping him and pimping him out. How about who is the best p4p quarterback. Theres probably some dwarf out there who can chuck the ball 12 yards...doesnt mean hes better than Peyton who could only throw it 10 if he was the same height.

Look, you guys are fans of handicapped boxers, thats fine, live in your fantasy Alice in wonderland with shrinking cookies and growth drinks etc...I prefer reality. No one could beat the Klitschko's. Best 2 boxers in the world...simple as that. Im not into handicaps.

Why not watch 2 ******s box and have IQ for IQ rankings and then come on here and be like, "If Vitali Klitschko had the same IQ as X ******ed fighter who would win."

LOL....green k....this is some funny **** right here, and true

[WladIsTheChamp]

Both K bro's are the kings of the world in terms of fighting and would kill any man

but, there is more to boxing than the HW division. Most people aren't big enough to be HW's. The average American male is like 5'9 170lbs.

I like the MW and SMW divisions, the guys are big enough not to be midgets but still small enough to have amazing speed and skill.

Ali's idol was a much smaller man, Ray Robinson.

True as well...

[jimmy1569]

to break it down and make it real simple for everyone to follow.

When someone asks whos got the greatest chin in the history of the sport, most people would say Cobb, Chuvalo or Mccall.

If someone aks whos got the greatest chin p4p, the answer may be different.

When someone asks whos the biggest puncher in the history of the sport, someone would probably say Shavers or Foreman.

If someone asks whos the biggest puncher p4p, the answer may be different.

So why is it that people can't accept theres a big difference between whos the best period, and whos the best p4p? It scales with everything else, strength, punching power, chin etc.

It's a quality over quantity issue basically but disqualifies bigs from the equation unjustly as if they're dominance only has to do with size... you're basically rightfully comparing apple with other apples.... similar size vs similar size but pound for pound doesn't really do that.. it's an isolator of anything under 180 lbs & excludes anyone over thhat weight.. essentially it's like telling a heavy you have to make weight to qualify.. so just be satisfied that you're the biggest & strongest fighter out there but if you were PACQUAIO OR MAYWEATHERE'SA size you wouldn't be able to compete but if they were your size.. you'd get destroyed.. it's the labeling of it that's bogus..it should have another name that states clearly cruisers & heavies don't apply.

[WladIsTheChamp]

pretty much this.... and i've heard that if Pacquiao really wanted to he could rock Vitali with a single punch. The scary thing is he hasn't even reached his prime yet.

Did you hear that from Santa Claus or from the Tooth Fairy? Is that were you get your boxing information from?

[WladIsTheChamp]

And when trying to have a serious boxing conversation if you start your statement off with the word "imagine" and then reference shrinking rays.......youre kind of a joke just like the p4p rankings.

LOL....I was about to say the same ****ing thing!!! I think anyone making arguments like "Imagine if Pac was 6'7" and 250lbs" or "What if Vitaly and Wlad were a foot shorter...", is half-way ******ed or simply deluded beyond belief. If you have to imagine a make-belief fantasy world where you version of facts is the way you want them to be and the way they really are, you are delusional as shiat.

[RajahBell]

to break it down and make it real simple for everyone to follow.

When someone asks whos got the greatest chin in the history of the sport, most people would say Cobb, Chuvalo or Mccall.

If someone aks whos got the greatest chin p4p, the answer may be different.

When someone asks whos the biggest puncher in the history of the sport, someone would probably say Shavers or Foreman.

If someone asks whos the biggest puncher p4p, the answer may be different.

So why is it that people can't accept theres a big difference between whos the best period, and whos the best p4p? It scales with everything else, strength, punching power, chin etc.

The problem I have with this thread is that Size is the Only Variable, which is not an accurate measure of "the best period". Although P4P is mythical and highly subjective it is a better measure because everything is taken into account every possible variable when all things are equal.

The Thread Starter has a problem with theoretically evening size out as a fantasy. But it is used everywhere in reality. Statistics have linear regression with "the line of best fit." You use percentages to compare different size companies earnings.

Even MILF's "even things out" when deciding to buy the 2-liter bottle of Coke for 1 dollar or a 12 can package of Coke for $5.00. If you go by size alone then you might not be paying "the best" price for the product.