P4P Is Dumb. Klitschko's Best 2 Boxers on the Planet. Fact.

[WladIsTheChamp]

The HWT division is at its worst right now. You may feel otherwise. If you do tell me when two cruserweights, niether of whom were HOF at the weight, have been the best opponents for the HWT championship?

Its not like Holyfield or Michael Spinks moved up.

Huh? You must be an idiot on top of being a hater - all through boxing history CW and LHW challenged and were the top HW contenders, and not just challenged but actually won. Learn your boxing history fool -

Holyfield and Spinks did move up you idiot, what do you think moving from a lower division to a higher division is called? Look at half the guys Ali fought, most way under 200, some as light 177lbs.

[WladIsTheChamp]

DUde seriiously? Cmon man. This is why people hate so much because fans like you post this stuff. Sam Peter? Eddie Chanbers? Tony Thompson is 40 yrs old and maintains his ranking. That should tell you everything about the division.

Oh ok, so when Foreman won the belt at 45 (when Tyson and Lewis were around), those were the glory days of the division right? Or how about when Ali lost to some guy who was 7-1? Please man, seriously, you can drink Hatorade all day, but if you want facts, we'll bring them all day, you'll just wind up looking dumber and dumber with each post.

[The Big Dunn]

Huh? You must be an idiot on top of being a hater - all through boxing history CW and LHW challenged and were the top HW contenders, and not just challenged but actually won. Learn your boxing history fool -

Holyfield and Spinks did move up you idiot, what do you think moving from a lower division to a higher division is called? Look at half the guys Ali fought, most way under 200, some as light 177lbs.

When was this since as you say I don't know?

Obviously fighters 40 yrs ago were smaller than fighters today. But if you honestly believe my criticism of ray austin, sam peter, eddie chambers, chaglev, aerrola, haye and adamek, tnt thompson and the other guys is hate then that is the problem.

These guys just are not good.

[WladIsTheChamp]

haha this is a joke right

I hope that Helenius guy, fat goofy looking Nordic with a hot wife knocks one of these Klits out with his right hand for the good of the HW division

You can have your wet dreams about Helenius all you want, it won't happen, and when the Klitschkos own him like the rest, you'll just move on to your next hope.

[The Big Dunn]

Oh ok, so when Foreman won the belt at 45 (when Tyson and Lewis were around), those were the glory days of the division right? Or how about when Ali lost to some guy who was 7-1? Please man, seriously, you can drink Hatorade all day, but if you want facts, we'll bring them all day, you'll just wind up looking dumber and dumber with each post.

All that means is Michael Moorer wasn't a great HWT champ, which we all know he wasn't. That doesn't mean the division as a whole ******, especially when 2 1st ballot HOF were there. Get the point?

Ali lost to Leon Spinks when he was well past his prime. Spinks wasn't 7-1 either. And why are we even talking Ali?

[WladIsTheChamp]

When was this since as you say I don't know?

Obviously fighters 40 yrs ago were smaller than fighters today. But if you honestly believe my criticism of ray austin, sam peter, eddie chambers, chaglev, aerrola, haye and adamek, tnt thompson and the other guys is hate then that is the problem.

These guys just are not good.

I love it how when I refute one of your dumb posts, you totally change the subject. Earlier you asked for examples at any time in history when LHW and CWs were challenging for the HW title. I gave you many. All of a sudden you are now changing the argument about the quality of Ray Austin and Chambers. Give it up man, Ali lost to a 7-1 guy and fought 170 pounders while being 200. Chagaev was undefeated world champ, gold medalist, etc. Most of Wlad's opposition has been like that in the past 8 years. You are a straight up hater, but that's ok, cause it's fun to see you all make excuses for Klitschko dominance.

[The Big Dunn]

I love it how when I refute one of your dumb posts, you totally change the subject. Earlier you asked for examples at any time in history when LHW and CWs were challenging for the HW title. I gave you many. All of a sudden you are now changing the argument about the quality of Ray Austin and Chambers. Give it up man, Ali lost to a 7-1 guy and fought 170 pounders while being 200. Chagaev was undefeated world champ, gold medalist, etc. Most of Wlad's opposition has been like that in the past 8 years. You are a straight up hater, but that's ok, cause it's fun to see you all make excuses for Klitschko dominance.

When did you list these people? You gave not one example unless I missed the post. If I did my bad.

I started out saying the quality of klits opponents wasn't good so how am I changing the argument?

[WladIsTheChamp]

All that means is Michael Moorer wasn't a great HWT champ, which we all know he wasn't. That doesn't mean the division as a whole ******, especially when 2 1st ballot HOF were there. Get the point?

Ali lost to Leon Spinks when he was well past his prime. Spinks wasn't 7-1 either. And why are we even talking Ali?

We have 2 HOF 1st ballot fighters in the HW division now, actually 3, if you count Holyfield. What's your point?

We are talking about Ali cause you are comparing eras...

Stop hatin...you'll live longer

[The Big Dunn]

We have 2 HOF 1st ballot fighters in the HW division now, actually 3, if you count Holyfield. What's your point?

We are talking about Ali cause you are comparing eras...

Stop hatin...you'll live longer

Wlad is a HOF , Holyfield is a HOF but isn't ACTIVE. Vitali is not a guaranteed HOF right now. I would say he is best known for the LEwis loss.

The point is the quality of the division. I can't believe you really feel like the roster of HWT's from the last 5-7 yrs is good. I mean other than you liking Wlad/Viatli, what makes them good?

[madsweeney]

We have 2 HOF 1st ballot fighters in the HW division now, actually 3, if you count Holyfield. What's your point?

We are talking about Ali cause you are comparing eras...

Stop hatin...you'll live longer

4 if you count Toney but just like Holyfield, it doesn't really matter, they're close to 15 years past their primes.


Either way, have any of them fought each other?