P4P Is Dumb. Klitschko's Best 2 Boxers on the Planet. Fact.

[The Big Dunn]

Such shame people hate on the Klits.

They beat their best challenges - Division is dead

They are ATG - compare them to Ali


The haters always finding a way to take away their achievements but yet praise someone like Joe Louis who most of them haven't even seen fight and picked on bums nonstop.

Can anyone ever post constructive criticism on this board and not have it called hate?

[WladIsTheChamp]

I think being the HWT champ nowadays isn't a big deal because the current champs success IMO is about 45% skills and 55% quality of opposition. The 2 best challengers for the HWT title in the last 6 yrs has been 2 blown up cruserweights.

Wlad and Vitali are like George Mikan and Dolph SChayes. They are HOF's but its due to the period they fight in.

So if it's not a big deal, then why hasn't anyone beat the Klitschkos in almost a decade? If it was that easy, then the HW belt would be changing belts constantly like it was in the 90s, early 2000s, right?


Take a look at your post, then take a look at reality, compare the two, then come back here.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Can anyone ever post constructive criticism on this board and not have it called hate?

Not when the criticism of the two dominant boxers in history is like this:

"Oh, the Klitschkos only win cause of their size.." or

"Tyson or any past greats would easily destroy the Klitschkos..." or

"Cause all of teh US big men are in football or basketball..." or

"This era sucks, all the HWs are bums, and the Klitschkos are just the best of the bums..."

All those are idiotic statements and are nothing more than hate, cause they are all bull****. If you subscribe to any of those statements, you are simply a hater of the Klitschkos, that's not constructive criticism.

[The Big Dunn]

So if it's not a big deal, then why hasn't anyone beat the Klitschkos in almost a decade? If it was that easy, then the HW belt would be changing belts constantly like it was in the 90s, early 2000s, right?


Take a look at your post, then take a look at reality, compare the two, then come back here.

No one has beaten them because the talent in the division is at an all time low. Belts changing is not a measure of easiness. I mean look at the HAye fight. Haye stunk it up, but wlad looked scared at times. That surely wasn't a great performance and Haye was arguably the most talented fighter he defended title against.

The klits are talented fighters. But they are not as you and some suggest ATG's.

[The Big Dunn]

Not when the criticism of the two dominant boxers in history is like this:

"Oh, the Klitschkos only win cause of their size.." or

"Tyson or any past greats would easily destroy the Klitschkos..." or

"Cause all of teh US big men are in football or basketball..." or

"This era sucks, all the HWs are bums, and the Klitschkos are just the best of the bums..."

All those are idiotic statements and are nothing more than hate, cause they are all bull****. If you subscribe to any of those statements, you are simply a hater of the Klitschkos, that's not constructive criticism.

The HWT division is at its worst right now. You may feel otherwise. If you do tell me when two cruserweights, niether of whom were HOF at the weight, have been the best opponents for the HWT championship?

Its not like Holyfield or Michael Spinks moved up.

[Mr. Fantastic]

No one has beaten them because the talent in the division is at an all time low. Belts changing is not a measure of easiness. I mean look at the HAye fight. Haye stunk it up, but wlad looked scared at times. That surely wasn't a great performance and Haye was arguably the most talented fighter he defended title against.

The klits are talented fighters. But they are not as you and some suggest ATG's.

All time low? Are you serious? Some of these guys would of been champions by now and you people would be comparing them in fantasy fights vs the greats of the past if it weren't for the Klits.

I find it ironic that Louis, Tyson, Holmes get praised so much when in reality, they fought weaker opponents(during their defenses).

Eddie Chambers is more talented than Haye in my opinion.

[WladIsTheChamp]

If you believe this after watching his performance vs Haye then I don;'t know what to say.

Yeah, Wlad fought a unified/undisputed/Ring CW champ and HW champ, who was in great shape, 5 years younger, had great power, had great movement, had great confidence, great athleticism, etc. Wlad made him look a biatch and totally dominated him, didn't even make it look competitive. Wlad has done that for the past 8 years, with all of his opponents, who were mostly world champs, undefeated, Ring ranked, etc. Now what was is it you were saying hater?

[BritishBoxing92]

heres a few fun facts...

• you are not a boxing fan
  
  
• klitschkos would not even associate themselves or be seen with ******s like you and steelhammer2010/2011/klitschko2011
  
  
• we dont care that you only follow k-bros and could care less about other boxers
  
  
• please stop posting and take that mentally ******ed vegetable klitschko2011 and all the other spammers and nuthuggers with you, you wont be missed goodbye now fuck off like the good little jizz stain you are

[The Big Dunn]

All time low? Are you serious? Some of these guys would of been champions by now and you people would be comparing them in fantasy fights vs the greats of the past if it weren't for the Klits.

I find it ironic that Louis, Tyson, Holmes get praised so much when in reality, they fought weaker opponents(during their defenses).

Eddie Chambers is more talented than Haye in my opinion.

DUde seriiously? Cmon man. This is why people hate so much because fans like you post this stuff. Sam Peter? Eddie Chanbers? Tony Thompson is 40 yrs old and maintains his ranking. That should tell you everything about the division.

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah, Wlad fought a unified/undisputed/Ring CW champ and HW champ, who was in great shape, 5 years younger, had great power, had great movement, had great confidence, great athleticism, etc. Wlad made him look a biatch and totally dominated him, didn't even make it look competitive. Wlad has done that for the past 8 years, with all of his opponents, who were mostly world champs, undefeated, Ring ranked, etc. Now what was is it you were saying hater?

Wlad and Haye looked like *****es. Haye looked like more of one we agree. Please don't sit there and post that was a great performance.