P4P Is Dumb. Klitschko's Best 2 Boxers on the Planet. Fact.

[Pirao]

If no one can beat you, you are de facto the best. Theres no arguing around that.

It's like saying a really skillful midget is better at basketball than Lebron, because biggest doesn't make you the best.

If you talk about the best technique, or even most skillful, i would agree Mayweather is higher on those attributes. But the question was WHO IS THE BEST, and the guy that noone can beat is in fact the best if you disregard weightclasses.

At least someone gets it.

ok going of that, the klits have been beat. mayweather hasnt.

Simple question. Put Mayweather and Wlad in the ring against each other, who wins?

[Barry Halls]

ok going of that, the klits have been beat. mayweather hasnt.

robinson has been beat, mayweather hasn't.

I'm pretty sure Mayweather would have limited success against even the heavyweights of this awful era. If that's whats important to you.

This discussion is borderline ******ed as it is. Everyone always takes weight into account when they talk about "best" and "greatest", (therefore making it a p4p discussion) but since the topic states to exclude p4p element of it, everyone with >2 braincells understand that mayweather can't beat a klitschko.

[Barry Halls]

At least someone gets it.

Well, i disagree with 99% of what the klitschko fanatics writes on this board, so don't get used to it.

[BoZz]

well if it's like that than Lamon Brewster should be right next to vitali when it comes to p4p status.

[Fadista]

He is just telling you like it is. The K bros are good fighters. Manny and Floyd are good fighters considering their size.

Its like having some brat in the gym saying he's stronger than you because while he only can bench lame numbers if you consider he's only 130lbs it makes him stronger than every single person in the gym!!! P4P!!!

[madsweeney]

He is just telling you like it is. The K bros are good fighters. Manny and Floyd are good fighters considering their size.

Its like having some brat in the gym saying he's stronger than you because while he only can bench lame numbers if you consider he's only 130lbs it makes him stronger than every single person in the gym!!! P4P!!!

Most people have enough brainpower to see the differences. A 130lbed "brat" benchingh 250lbs is far more impressive than some fat-ass 300lb'er putting up 275. Yea, technically the fat-ass is stronger but who gives a ****?!?

The heavyweight division has always been seen as the pinnacle of the best, that's why it has, in the past, been such a highly regarded championship. Nobody cares right now because 99% of the division are glorified cab drivers/club fighters and we all know it. To be the heavyweight champion these days is akin to winning the special olympics, that's how far the division has fallen.

[Kinski]

Well, i can understand if someone doesnt like Wladimir as a fighter, he´s smart staying on the outside and jabbing the **** out of his opponents. It´s not very spectacular, but it works, thats all that matters. Wlad´s big problem is, that People think he is the same guy as seven years ago, when he lost his last fight. Most of the great Champs in Boxing History lost Fights, even the Great Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. People saying "Ah, the Klitschkos didn´t beat just one Hall of Famer" Yeah, True Words, but it´s not the fault of the Brothers that they are a little bit to young, to rock 90´s HW Division. Vitali fought an amazing Fight against Lennox Lewis, nobody knows what would be if he don´t get this brutal cut. Yeah, he lost it, but its a fact, that Lennox ducked Vitali for a Rematch, he choose Retirement because he dont want to step in the ring with Vitali again.
"If Klit is as dominant as Tyson, he could talk" someone said here, well dude, The Brothers are much more dominant than Tyson ever was. Sure, he was an outstanding puncher and a freakin animal, but where are the HOF Boxers that Tyson beat? Only a old and shot Larry Holmes, thats all. Maybe the should call out for Evander, only to beat a future Hall of Famer. If they did that in the last 7 Years, u would say "Uh, they punished an old man"
It´s sad for them, that the only future Hall of Famer in their Decade, is the own Brother. Both are going to be remembered as ATG´s, even if they are not the best technical Boxers on the Planet.
George Foreman wasn´t a great Techniquan too, but he was an gorgeous fighter.

Not liking the Brothers is one thing, but saying that they are skill less Bums who would get destroyed by any of the Great HW´s in History is absolutely BS. They don´t get the Respect that they deserve, both are great Athletes, great Punchers and Great Champions. Especialliy Vitali, he is an amazing Fighter, walking through Monster Shots and never get down in his Career. U don´t have to like them, but u have to respect them. If not, u should go and watch another sport...

[Alibata]

Chris Areola would have to be considered in the top 5 lb for lb. That's just great. Fine lets just do it, lets base the lb for lb on who can kick who's ass regardless of weight.

[Alibata]

Forget JCC sr, Salvador Sanchez, JMM, etc... Mexicos greatest fighter ever is Chris Areola..

[Barry Halls]

Forget JCC sr, Salvador Sanchez, JMM, etc... Mexicos greatest fighter ever is Chris Areola..

if you care to read the thread, the discussion is under the assumption p4p is worthless and doesn't exist.