I would like to know why Martinez is considered overrated by some.

[Bushbaby]

Have to disagree with that. Floyd fought a light weight and a grandpa who was in active for over 18 months. That by no stretch of imagination is even close to clotty/tony/cotto/grandpa. Catch weight be damned, cotto was better then both those fights put together. It ****** when floyd fought those two, it's sucks now that pac is pulling the same gay ****. But lets not lose our minds now. The only reason gramps beat tony was the weight, and tony just had his secret weapons taken away. Lets not forget how gramps looked against mayorga right before that. Putting any stock at all in floyds last two fights is fools gold. On paper they looked ok, but in reality it was horse crap. This is floyds first real fight in years. And I've been giving **** to manny for pulling the same gay ****, they should both be doing a lot more then fighting sr. citizens and light weights. I expect better.

I can respect this post.But we'll agree to disagree on the Mosley that Floyd fought. That Mosley may have been ranked 3rd but any real boxing fan will admit that Floyd nor Pacman were king of 147 as long as the fighter that murdered Margarito was campaining there. That's the Shane Floyd beat. I don't think anyone knew Mosley would be that far gone after 1 of his greatest performances. Ortiz is a real challenge for Floyd, he hasn't fought anyone this young or strong in years. Overall a good post though.

[jrosales13]

So this thread proves without a doubt that Martinez, Floyd, and Pacquiao are all overrated.

Good ****,

[The Smash]

He is a paper champion who cherry picks his opponents. When he stops running and faces a real challenge like Chavez, then maybe I'll take him seriously.

[mushahadeen]

He is a paper champion who cherry picks his opponents. When he stops running and faces a real challenge like Chavez, then maybe I'll take him seriously.

if Steroidgio wants 2 b #44, all he has to do is take the test.

why won't he take the test? because it'll be Margarito KO all over again, that's why.

[GreatestIam]

Martinez is untested IMO as was Williams, think about it they havent fought anyone worthwhile except eachother... Winky Wright would destroy Martinez, Jermaines coming back... etcl

[Bushbaby]

So this thread proves without a doubt that Martinez, Floyd, and Pacquiao are all overrated.

Good ****,

If 1 is overrated then all 3 are, sure thing buddy.

[daggum]

I can respect this post.But we'll agree to disagree on the Mosley that Floyd fought. That Mosley may have been ranked 3rd but any real boxing fan will admit that Floyd nor Pacman were king of 147 as long as the fighter that murdered Margarito was campaining there. That's the Shane Floyd beat. I don't think anyone knew Mosley would be that far gone after 1 of his greatest performances. Ortiz is a real challenge for Floyd, he hasn't fought anyone this young or strong in years. Overall a good post though.

floyd knew. why do you think he didn't want to fight him in september but after berto "pulled out" he signed right away? even i heard the stories of mosley being battered and looking terrible in training camp for berto and floyd has a lot more connections than me and is close with mosley. he knew.

[Bushbaby]

floyd knew. why do you think he didn't want to fight him in september but after berto "pulled out" he signed right away? even i heard the stories of mosley being battered and looking terrible in training camp for berto and floyd has a lot more connections than me and is close with mosley. he knew.

That would make sense honestly.but me & Jro already cleared the air. I wouldn't doubt that **** coming from Floyd.

[jrosales13]

If 1 is overrated then all 3 are, sure thing buddy.

Not necessary.

Every single fighter, from Pac to Floyd to Martinez is overrated and underrated. And, two of them can be overrated while the other one is underrated or vice versa.

The thing is that it all depends on who's doing the rating.

One can overrate Martinez, while underrate Pac and vice versa.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

I like how you try to make Dzinziruk sound better than he actually is by saying he was the lineal, undefeated middle-weight champ. His best win was Joel Julio.....

About half of the people who saw Williams-Martinez I thought Martinez won. And Cintron clearly, in my opinion, out-boxed Paul the four rounds they fought.

And Kelly Pavlik? Come on, even I think he's a complete joke, and that's considering my sig. And lets not forget Kelly was winning up until the second cut, then he just decided to be a human punching bag.

Lets take into consideration that all these fighters stand right in front of you. Of course you're going to look spectacular against fighters like these, especially when you've got speed and power, it's going to look even more exceptional.

And for all you assholes who are going to bring up Pacquiao, I'm here to tell you hes not excused either, along with many of the P4P fighters.