I would like to know why Martinez is considered overrated by some.

[daggum]

I like how you try to make Dzinziruk sound better than he actually is by saying he was the lineal, undefeated middle-weight champ. His best win was Joel Julio.....

About half of the people who saw Williams-Martinez I thought Martinez won. And Cintron clearly, in my opinion, out-boxed Paul the four rounds they fought.

And Kelly Pavlik? Come on, even I think he's a complete joke, and that's considering my sig. And lets not forget Kelly was winning up until the second cut, then he just decided to be a human punching bag.

Lets take into consideration that all these fighters stand right in front of you. Of course you're going to look spectacular against fighters like these, especially when you've got speed and power, it's going to look even more exceptional.

And for all you assholes who are going to bring up Pacquiao, I'm here to tell you hes not excused either, along with many of the P4P fighters.

why do people think this is a great win? dzinziruk was a solid junior middleweight but he wasn't some great dominant champ. the ring had him ranked 8th because he had the belt for years and did very little. his best wins were santos and julio. and lets remember martinez fought him at 160 even though he said he could still make 154 easily. that's strange.

[mathed]

why do people think this is a great win? dzinziruk was a solid junior middleweight but he wasn't some great dominant champ. the ring had him ranked 8th because he had the belt for years and did very little. his best wins were santos and julio. and lets remember martinez fought him at 160 even though he said he could still make 154 easily. that's strange.

He would have to drop to 154, win that belt, then immediately vacate and move backup or be stripped of his Ring title. He has added muscle to be able to sustain fighting at 160....it takes time to build and lose muscle. If you don't use the much denser muscle to add weight, you'd have to rely on fat....the second option is the dumb one.

[Bushbaby]

I like how you try to make Dzinziruk sound better than he actually is by saying he was the lineal, undefeated middle-weight champ. His best win was Joel Julio.....

About half of the people who saw Williams-Martinez I thought Martinez won. And Cintron clearly, in my opinion, out-boxed Paul the four rounds they fought.

And Kelly Pavlik? Come on, even I think he's a complete joke, and that's considering my sig. And lets not forget Kelly was winning up until the second cut, then he just decided to be a human punching bag.

Lets take into consideration that all these fighters stand right in front of you. Of course you're going to look spectacular against fighters like these, especially when you've got speed and power, it's going to look even more exceptional.

And for all you assholes who are going to bring up Pacquiao, I'm here to tell you hes not excused either, along with many of the P4P fighters.

That's the entire point of this tread brother, the bold. You cannot call a man an a$$hole for bringing up a flaw you criticize about Martinez in Pacman. If we're gonna take into consideration that Martinez fought fighters that stay right in front of you & call him overrated, then we must also take into consideration every last fighter that just stayed in front of Pacman, add old & shot to the equation & really see what comes up. If Martinez is overrated, then Pacman & Floyd are also.

[size15shoe]

Honestly, he is overrated because some people are putting him as the best middleweight within the last 10 yrs category...

Pavlik and Williams arent overrated IMO.. It amazes me how peeps say Williams is overrated, but gave Martinez the fight of his life. Williams has ALWAYS been hittable; people anointed Martinez king-ding-a-ling because he ko's a fighter who was throwing a punch, with his right hand down to his WAIST. Name ONE fighter who could have withstood that kind of punch in that situation,.. The 1st Williams-Martinez fight was the Martinez that more than likely you will consistently see. The Williams KO wasnt really skill. Its easy to KO a person with their hands down. I just dont give Martinez a ton of credit for that ko like most on here do.

And say what you want about Pavlik, but when he put the pressure on Martinez in those middle rounds,(just like Williams did in that 1st fight) Martinez was getting clapped like a standing ovation at a Jay-Z concert. He's lucky that cut opened up the way it did on Pavlik's eye, or I believe Pavlik would have taken that win.

And as far as Dzizdruik, no one really say him fight stateside. He was undefeated. Martinez made good work out of him, but being that no one has ever really seen Dzizdruik on major HBO/Showtime/ESPN/PPV, no one can really judge just how good or terrible he really was. At least with Pavlik and Williams, what you saw from them every fight is exactly what you got, every fight.

People on this board compared Martinez to B-Hop and actually said that Martinez would BEAT a 160lb B-Hop. He's been compared to Marvelous Marvin and people were co-signing on that. Paul Williams gets compared to The Hitman Hearns (which was always a TERRIBLE comparison) and the board blows up.. Pavlik loses to a great, great boxer in B-Hop and people **** on him tho.. People forget that Martinez got DESTROYED by Margarito, but they say that Martinez "wasnt as good then as he is now" 100 percent bull****.

He is a pretty good fighter, maybe the best at 160; ill give you that. But p4p#1? No way. If anything, I think he is more overrated on this board than by the general boxing public. tho...

[Jack Napier]

because Floyd**** are feigning adopting him

[bojangles1987]

That's the entire point of this tread brother, the bold. You cannot call a man an a$$hole for bringing up a flaw you criticize about Martinez in Pacman. If we're gonna take into consideration that Martinez fought fighters that stay right in front of you & call him overrated, then we must also take into consideration every last fighter that just stayed in front of Pacman, add old & shot to the equation & really see what comes up. If Martinez is overrated, then Pacman & Floyd are also.

Pacquiao and Mayweather have proved how good they are against the liveliest and best of opponents before, which is why putting Martinez on their level is ridiculous. They've proved themselves by dominating fighters WAY better than anyone Martinez has ever fought. And their level of competition the last two years isn't really any worse than Martinez's.

I think Marquez should unquestionably be ahead of Martinez in p4p rankings, let alone Pacquiao or Mayweather. If we are going to give Martinez p4p #1 for beating Pavlik and Williams, we should be giving Hopkins the same for beating Pascal twice.

[Bushbaby]

Pacquiao and Mayweather have proved how good they are against the liveliest and best of opponents before, which is why putting Martinez on their level is ridiculous. They've proved themselves by dominating fighters WAY better than anyone Martinez has ever fought. And their level of competition the last two years isn't really any worse than Martinez's.

I think Marquez should unquestionably be ahead of Martinez in p4p rankings, let alone Pacquiao or Mayweather. If we are going to give Martinez p4p #1 for beating Pavlik and Williams, we should be giving Hopkins the same for beating Pascal twice.

Floyd & pacman beat the liveliest opponents?? When was this bro?? I used to think that Martinez deserved pfp #1 spot, but I really don't about that anymore. It's all opinion anyway. But to say he doesn't even deserve what position he's got is just crazy to me.

In the case of B-Hop, I think he's the greatest active fighter anyway. I don't even see a need to bring him into this. He's 46 & just beat the best champion in his weight class. Who he could have fathered, litterally. that's a better win than Floyd beating Mosley, or Pacman beating Clottey, Margarito, Mosley & Marquez when he does. Just Like Martinez beat the best middleweight champ, in the champs weight class.

[jrosales13]

I still fail to see the point of this thread.

Just because someone can overrate one guy doesn't mean that everybody is overrated.

You can overrate Martinez while at the same time underrate Floyd and Pac.

You can overrate Pac while at the same time underrated Martinez and Floyd.

You can overrated Floyd while at the same time underrated Pac and Martinez.

You can overrate 2 fighters and underrate the other one or vice versa.

It really all depends on who's doing the rating.

[5850]

you know, this is pretty simple ****. but i will be happy to explain it to you...

1. Martinez is 1-1 against Paul Williams, who clearly, obviously SUCKS.
2. Martinez has a draw against Kermit Cintron, who clearly, obviously SUCKS.
3. Martinez got KO'd by Margarito even before Margarito started using plaster.
4. Martinez has a draw against a fighter that is 7-33. let me reiterate that for you sergiosexuals.....Martinez has a draw against a fighter that has 7 wins and 33 losses. 33 LOSSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

finally, Steroidgio "Maravagina" Martinez calls out small WWs like Floyd and Pac-- while himself refusing to go up in weight to fight Bute, Ward, Froch, etc.

i mean seriously, WHAT. A. D1CK. anyone who is still a fan of Steroidgio Martinez at this point is a sick, demented sergiosexual.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^ At the end of the day Martinez is just after a big pay day from either Floyd or Pac. In my opinion the guy is overrated to hell

[Jack Napier]

I still fail to see the point of this thread.

look who TS is, and read the 2nd paragraph of his opening post
it's obvious Jro, this dude transparent as fuck :laugh: