Who has Muhammad Ali beating that makes people think he stand a chance against WK

[Sage84]

Ali turns Wlad into Pizza face and stops him. I'm telling you, it is fact that Ali would get past that jab of Wlad's.

Ali would get off first in every engagement, Wlad would hesitate and paw that jab like he does, he has no killer instinct. Ali has much better foot work, was miles quicker, how would you expect to Wlad to pin Ali down when he couldnt even pin Haye down? And Ali was a much better mover than Haye. Ali would turn Wlad all night, tire him and stop him late. That is fact my friend

[Clint650]

Which version of Ali? The one who was knocked unconcious and forced to cheat by a modern day SMW in Henry Cooper? Or the one that was knocked down by Chuck Wepner, robbed Young and Shavers and lost to the fantastically awful Leon Spinks? GTFO

you GTFO. explain how Wlad beats any of the greats.

[*Boss*]

Past fighters are invincible on this forum.

[Die Antwoord]

you GTFO. explain how Wlad beats any of the greats.

By being bigger, stronger, smarter, more athletic, more disciplined and more skilled?

Pretty simple.

The funniest thing about Ali is the way people combine his pre-lay off and post-lay off into one super fighter.

Pre-layoff Ali was pretty much a cruiserweight. He had a questionable chin, he moved well, but had little power, and relied on his quickness and his movement to beat fighters...most of whom were anywhere between 180-205 lbs. He was fast and elusive then, but if caught, he could be hurt.

Post lay off, Ali put on some weight, some muscle, and he became a smarter fighter. No longer was he elusive and in fact relied on his newly developed strength and chin and intelligence to take shots and exchange with fighters.

Today people act like there was a combo of the two which he never was. 70's Ali would get killed mercilessly by Wlad. He took a ton of shots, didnt move well, and laid on the ropes frequently. It would be a merciless beating and probably a late KO for Wlad with Ali hanging on the ropes unconcious at the end.

60's Ali would have looked very similar to the Haye fight. It would have been boring and Ali might have hit Wlad more than Haye, but 60's Ali did not have Haye's power and Wlad wouldnt have been as cautious. 60's Ali also had a far weaker chin than Haye's and would have found Wlad's right overwhelming even if blocking it. Wlad aint no Sonny Banks or Henry Cooper. He's a 250 lbs man who knows how to hit.

Either way I see Wlad killing any version of Ali. Only Ali that Wlad could have problems with is the mythical combo of speed, elusiveness, experience, and strength that NEVER EXISTED.

Theres a reason why 70's Ali gave title shots to a thought to be completely shot Frazier, Evangelista and 6 win Leon Spinks.

[bojangles1987]

Past fighters are invincible on this forum.

I would love to hear how Wlad beats Ali. I seriously can't picture it.

[them_apples]

I call them bums because people call Haye, Byrd, Chagaev, Chambers, ... bums

I feel Wlads opponents were more talented thatn Ali's. So if they are bums then guys like Foreman and Frazier must be bums to

what the hell are you smoking? have you even seen Ali's opponent's?

FFS Foreman came back when he was fat and old and still beat a lot of the top dogs.

These guys were tough, and naturally strong HW's. Because back then you had to be born big to be a legit HW. That's why Foreman, Ali, Frazier etc..they had large skulls and fists to match. Not huge blown up bodies and tiny heads.

It's just like a body builder coming to your boxing gym thinking his size will actually help him, it never does!

and FYI, Foreman was 270 lbs when he was fat. Anyone can get heavy if they are fat, doesn't mean they are big. At least he was strong as hell when he was fat, unlike Aereolla or Chambers.

Speaking of which, Foreman KOed the 6'6 Cooney in his old age, and made it look easy, not to mention he walked through his punches.

Speaking on one dimensional opponent's, Haye is very one dimensional, he has one plan - a Hayemaker.

[The_Expert]

By being bigger, stronger, smarter, more athletic, more disciplined and more skilled?

Pretty simple.

The funniest thing about Ali is the way people combine his pre-lay off and post-lay off into one super fighter.

Pre-layoff Ali was pretty much a cruiserweight. He had a questionable chin, he moved well, but had little power, and relied on his quickness and his movement to beat fighters...most of whom were anywhere between 180-205 lbs. He was fast and elusive then, but if caught, he could be hurt.

Post lay off, Ali put on some weight, some muscle, and he became a smarter fighter. No longer was he elusive and in fact relied on his newly developed strength and chin and intelligence to take shots and exchange with fighters.

Today people act like there was a combo of the two which he never was. 70's Ali would get killed mercilessly by Wlad. He took a ton of shots, didnt move well, and laid on the ropes frequently. It would be a merciless beating and probably a late KO for Wlad with Ali hanging on the ropes unconcious at the end.

60's Ali would have looked very similar to the Haye fight. It would have been boring and Ali might have hit Wlad more than Haye, but 60's Ali did not have Haye's power and Wlad wouldnt have been as cautious. 60's Ali also had a far weaker chin than Haye's and would have found Wlad's right overwhelming even if blocking it. Wlad aint no Sonny Banks or Henry Cooper. He's a 250 lbs man who knows how to hit.

Either way I see Wlad killing any version of Ali. Only Ali that Wlad could have problems with is the mythical combo of speed, elusiveness, experience, and strength that NEVER EXISTED.

Theres a reason why 70's Ali gave title shots to a thought to be completely shot Frazier, Evangelista and 6 win Leon Spinks.

very good post.

[them_apples]

By being bigger, stronger, smarter, more athletic, more disciplined and more skilled?

Pretty simple.

The funniest thing about Ali is the way people combine his pre-lay off and post-lay off into one super fighter.

Pre-layoff Ali was pretty much a cruiserweight. He had a questionable chin, he moved well, but had little power, and relied on his quickness and his movement to beat fighters...most of whom were anywhere between 180-205 lbs. He was fast and elusive then, but if caught, he could be hurt.

Post lay off, Ali put on some weight, some muscle, and he became a smarter fighter. No longer was he elusive and in fact relied on his newly developed strength and chin and intelligence to take shots and exchange with fighters.

Today people act like there was a combo of the two which he never was. 70's Ali would get killed mercilessly by Wlad. He took a ton of shots, didnt move well, and laid on the ropes frequently. It would be a merciless beating and probably a late KO for Wlad with Ali hanging on the ropes unconcious at the end.

60's Ali would have looked very similar to the Haye fight. It would have been boring and Ali might have hit Wlad more than Haye, but 60's Ali did not have Haye's power and Wlad wouldnt have been as cautious. 60's Ali also had a far weaker chin than Haye's and would have found Wlad's right overwhelming even if blocking it. Wlad aint no Sonny Banks or Henry Cooper. He's a 250 lbs man who knows how to hit.

Either way I see Wlad killing any version of Ali. Only Ali that Wlad could have problems with is the mythical combo of speed, elusiveness, experience, and strength that NEVER EXISTED.

Theres a reason why 70's Ali gave title shots to a thought to be completely shot Frazier, Evangelista and 6 win Leon Spinks.

you people are so Ignorant. Before his Layoff he was 212 lbs, which if I recall..is the exact same weight David Haye weighed in at, and he did it with Weights (which means he still had a smaller frame).

Ali having no power before his Layoff?? he damn near knocked everyone out!! he had less power in his comeback. In fact, at the end of his career when he was soft at like 235+ ish, he had the least power ever in his career.

Athletcism?? explain to me how a robot has more athleticism than Muhammad Ali, using angles footwork, speed.

I agree that people like to combine the 2 which isn't the case. But near the end of his first run it was starting to look like a mix of both. I agree somewhat though that as he got bigger he couldn't jump around as much, but his chin improved. Regardless, he had fast ****ing hands against Frazier and his stamina and toughness was undeniable.

60's Ali's chin was still far better than Hayes. Haye got koed by a middleweight

[The_Expert]

and lets not forget in Ali's era allot of fights were fixed.

I wouldnt be suprised if 70% of Ali's wins were fixed.

[sweetscience18]

and lets not forget in Ali's era allot of fights were fixed.

I wouldnt be suprised if 70% of Ali's wins were fixed.

.......its time to give it up.