Who has Muhammad Ali beating that makes people think he stand a chance against WK

[The_Expert]

Why is everybody so sensitive about this topic

[The_Expert]

Yes, and so does anyone who understands boxing! Sonny Liston and George Foreman would walk straight through Chris Byrd and Sam Peter.

You're being serious........???? Not just trying to wind me up?

No Chris Byrd and Sam Peter would walk straight through Liston and George Foreman.

Byrd weighted as much as Foreman and also fought much more bigger men than Foreman. I think Byrd easly beats him

[check hook]

Why is everybody so sensitive about this topic

because i don't think you understand how absurd your claim that Sam Peter and Chris Byrd > Foreman and Liston actually is!!!

I agree in some respects with regard to people in boxing waxing lyrical about the old fighters, when there have been plenty of present day fighters who have been just as good, however your observations are way off.

George Foreman was able to compete with the elite of the 90's in Moorer and Holyfield, when he was 45 and hadn't boxed for the better part of a decade before coming back.

If boxing was about size and advances in sports science Valuev should be the best fighter ever, but it's NOT, and he is not. It's about skill first. the technique and the fundamentals. Power and size are great, but they are secondary.

Sam Peter couldn't even best a former fat blown up MW in James Toney......why was that????

[E-Thug]

****ing **** thread. It's wankers like you that make the klits look bad

[tangalog2200]

If Ali were to fight today, he wouldn't fight like Ali of the past.

Just a few posts ago, we talked about Ali inspiring other fighters.

What he also did, was make them adjust and use better tactics.

Moving around as much as he did is considered waste of energy in today's boxing. The only guys who do it are pillow punchers like Malignaggie, Cory SPinks, Sharmba Mitchell, just to name a few. They have no choice.

Obviously it worked for him while still at his peak youth, but not a style for longevity.

that's the point, bro......

fighters of today learned a lot from ali/clay....bcoz they have already seen how he fought..

but if ali is presently just another active fighter today, then his boxing styles and strategies will catch a lot of the HWs off-guard.....

i am giving more weight on boxing skills/acumen not so much on physical disparities.

those who say ali/clay was feather-fisted should watch his old fights wherein he did say to his opponents/media on what round they (opponents) would fall....

what about the "phantom punch"?

[check hook]

You're being serious........???? Not just trying to wind me up?

No Chris Byrd and Sam Peter would walk straight through Liston and George Foreman.

Byrd weighted as much as Foreman and also fought much more bigger men than Foreman. I think Byrd easly beats him

Sam Peter, who couldn't walk through James Toney??? A guy who isn't even 6 foot and was a former middle weight......actually fought lower on a few occasions if i remember right.....and Sam Peter is going to walk through Foreman and Liston???

I'm convinced you are winding me up.....no one can be this ******, but if you ARE being serious, you should consider changing your name, "the expert" isn't approopriate, i'm thinking "the moron" or "the douche bag" is much more fitting.


Goodbye............

[tangalog2200]

because i don't think you understand how absurd your claim that Sam Peter and Chris Byrd > Foreman and Liston actually is!!!

I agree in some respects with regard to people in boxing waxing lyrical about the old fighters, when there have been plenty of present day fighters who have been just as good, however your observations are way off.

George Foreman was able to compete with the elite of the 90's in Moorer and Holyfield, when he was 45 and hadn't boxed for the better part of a decade before coming back.

If boxing was about size and advances in sports science Valuev should be the best fighter ever, but it's NOT, and he is not. It's about skill first. the technique and the fundamentals. Power and size are great, but they are secondary.

Sam Peter couldn't even best a former fat blown up MW in James Toney......why was that????

agree.....

you hit all the buttons squarely....

[AntonTheMeh]

And Wladimir Klitschko is Wladimir Klitschko. Not sonny liston. not joe frazier. not geroge foreman

You see what I did there?

every single one of those guys wipes their ass with wlads resume. see what i did there?

He doesn't need "more than that".

I'll go right ahead and admit that Ali has more heart than Wlad. If it came down to who can take more punishment and keep fighting, Ali wins.

But that's unnecessary. Wlad has perfected his style. In many ways it's one-dimensional but it's the most effective One-Dimensional style of All-Times.

If you can keep doing the same thing, fight after fight, winning 90+ percent of the rounds, and keep handing out TKO losses, you've got something, despite people trying to discredit the opposition.

It's simple, whoever can get through that Dimension, beats Wlad. The trick is getting through it, now that he has ironed out some of his earlier flaws of wasting too much energy with unnecessary movement.

People wanna talk about Prime Ali, Prime Tyson, Prime this and that. How about a Prime Wlad Klitschko. Whenever these guys losses are brought up, it's because they weren't at their best. How about, Wlad wasn't at his best when he ran out of steam in two of his three losses.

so basically, you're trying to argue hypothetical with semantics.


wlad is dominating a watered down era. Fact.

Ali was the best in a golden age of heavyweights. Fact.

the fact that you assume that ali, Muhammad ali would suffer the same fate as those who have lost to predictable ass wlad is ****ing ridiculous. none of those guys are even in his class. not even close.

Vitali on the other hand, yeah. wlad. hell no.

[Battle*Hardened]

How do we know the opponents Ali faced were remotely close to the level of todays HW's?

Btw did you predict David Haye beating Wlad?

How do we know, because people from that era are HOF'ers, and no one besides the Klits will even be considered in the HOF.

And yes I picked Haye to beat Wlad. I think he would have if he'd been aggressive. I don't think he could beat Vitali. That's not saying much, because Haye has 0 relevant wins at HW, but what does that matter anyways? Both klits have been stopped multiple times, so why don;t you guys quit putting them on this big pedestal.

[check hook]

agree.....

you hit all the buttons squarely....

This guy's argument is so full of holes anyway. By Wlad's own admission a former cruiserweight (SO A SMALL GUY) who weighed 215 just gave Wlad the hardest fight of his life, was the "best opponent he faced"


^^^

All this doesn't seem to gel with "The_Douche Bags" argument, now does it??


Still want to know why Same Peter couldn't walk through a short, fat, former MW??? Wonder why he couldn't just walk right through him??? Still want to know how a 216 pound CW could possible be Wlad's hardest fight???

"The_Moron" also doesn't bring up the fact that HW's are able to be "bigger on average" because we don't go 15 rounds anymore, because the last three rounds are "the danger zone" for dehydration and severe injury. If the likes of Ali, Foreman, Frazier and Liston were fighting 12 rounders they would have been even better and stronger.